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Reply | The QPR summer managers rumours thread
at 11:13 8 May 2025
Yes well those people were probably hoping they'd have been replaced by people with demonstrable experience in their respective roles with perhaps even a proven track record rather than giving a 26 year old who'd never before been an employee of a football club both jobs. Those people thought a change were needed to drive progression. It's not their fault they were served a farcical situation as a replacement.
I'd be a bit careful throwing stones too as certain people around here seem 'more than happy to see the back of' Marti Cifuentes. Let's see how those people feel a few games into next season. Pretty much the exact same situation. [Post edited 8 May 11:21]
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 11:02 8 May 2025
Spot on.
If anyone here actually believes QPR haven't been trying to get Jimmy to sign a new contract for at least 12-18 months, you're mad. At the very least he's a financial asset on a P&L sheet with a rapidly decreasing value. I don't believe for a second they haven't been trying to manage that either by trying to sell him or getting him to extend or both. I don't have any inside knowledge or proof of that it's just common sense. They don't even tell us when players are injured or who's in or out of contract so they're hardly likely to release a press release detailing that contract offers have been made.
Jimmy has been a superb player for us and a joy to watch far more often than not but when Bright, Willock and Manning did what Jimmy has done they were all relentlessly criticised and the club was not. Jimmy has done the same thing and people have got the hump with the club purely because they love him.
Maybe he wants to get to the PL or maybe he just wants more money or a longer contract but either way, he doesn't want to be here next season. Or at the very least he'd rather be somewhere else. He's earned that right more than the other three players mentioned as he's given far more to the cause but ultimately he's doing the very same thing those others did. |
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 08:58 8 May 2025
Sorry Nump you're wrong again here.
For us to pocket £15m from any Eze sale we'd have to have a 20% of future transfer fee clause and he'd have to go for £75m. I guess there's a chance of that but it's very optimistic.
Even with that number added to our last turnover it would come to £40.9m. Bristol City posted £42.4m in their last accounts so we're still short.
Even then you're including transfer profit for QPR but not Bristol City. They made £21.7m OUTSIDE of that £42.4m turnover in their last accounts. If that were repeated they'd be playing with an annual turnover of £64.1m vs ours of £40.9m.
Whether you like it or not or think QPR 'should' be able to outspend Bristol City as we're clearly a much bigger club, the simple, objective fact is that due to P&S rules they can outspend us by at least 3:2. Anyone we offer £20k per week to, they can offer £30k and it represents the same % of their P&S cap. We cannot compete with them financially. |
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 05:15 5 May 2025
Bristol City posted a turnover of £42.4m in 2024 which is £16m more than ours.
Their wage bill came to £34.9m. Ours was £23.8m.
They are able to - and do - outspend us very, very heavily. We can’t get close to competing with them financially and stay within P&S limits.
Not sure where you get the conviction that wages they could offer wouldn’t be massively different or unaffordable. The accounts say exactly the contrary. |
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Reply | Reform UK
at 14:55 3 May 2025
Weirdest account on LFW. |
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Reply | Development side .
at 09:23 2 May 2025
Why would anyone hate reading that?! Joyous reading, thanks for sharing. We can but hope. |
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Reply | Kevin Betsy on WLS
at 09:15 2 May 2025
Wait til Stainrod's Elbow gets a hold of this. It'll be something like...
"Whilst he did, in his own modest way, attempt to convey information, this interview ultimately amounted to little more than a pedestrian exercise in verbal filler—uninspired, unilluminating, and entirely bereft of intellectual nourishment. Monotonous, slow-witted and lackluster. Complete flim-flam. Us fans deserve better than to be patronised with this sort of balderdash." |
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Reply | question about marti's contract
at 16:09 1 May 2025
Quite amazing how this week in the QPR / LFW soap opera we've expertly debated public limited company boardroom constitutions, the weighting of votes down to individuals around a varnished walnut table and extensive UK employment law loopholes. Every now and then a game of football breaks out. And it's usually shite.
What do fans of other teams talk about of their forums? Full backs, offsides and what exactly is the meat in a 'meat pie'? I can only imagine... |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 09:43 1 May 2025
James the only Championship clubs that made a single figure loss in their last accounts all made well over £20m in transfer fees that year. One of them Watford who clearly fiddle that number by moving players between themselves and Udinese.
Expecting £20m profit from transfer fees and then not re-investing it every year is no strategy. When it doesn't happen (which for us is every single year for the last 15 with one single exception), you end up in the same peril as we are today anyway.
The only way to do it would be to increase that revenue but then you're asking QPR to make £10m MORE annual revenue than the likes of Middlesbrough, Sunderland, WBA. Again, they only club that's managed that is Bristol City but even they have been willing to lose £20m in a season themselves even off that higher turnover.
The entire division is doped financially by people willing to underwrite it. The entire division. What you're describing is a League One club or one from a bygone era. [Post edited 1 May 9:44]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 09:18 1 May 2025
Just to call out on this 'sustainability' thing... Looking at PBT posted by every single Championship club in their most recent accounts, every single one posted a loss if you take into account player sales.
Sheff Weds had the smallest annual loss of £10.1m.
We made a loss of £15.7m. If we wanted to break even with that cost of squad (which we already know is very low due to back loaded contracts for Cook and Colback and needing a fallow year to comply with FFP) we would need to increase revenue by 61%. There's only one non-parachute payment club in the division with revenue even close to that new number which is Bristol City... Who ended up shelling out £67.4m that year.
Even if we somehow found a way to increase that revenue to those amounts and we kept the same playing budget, our annual spend would be £25.6m less per annum than what Bristol City elect to spend on their squad.
If we set a budget to break even on current revenue levels it would leaves us with an annual budget of £25.9m, comfortably the smallest in the Championship. Even if you found a way to increase that revenue by 61% and then set a budget to break even, you'd still only have the 16th highest budget in the Championship.
Frankly - The Championship is not even remotely a sustainable league. There is no way you can compete sustainably. Other clubs make as much and much more than us and elect to push the P&S limit anyway. And I'm not talking 1 or 2 clubs, I'm talking 22 or 23. And the ones that don't immediately get relegated. [Post edited 1 May 9:20]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 16:08 30 Apr 2025
Ummm... the bit about hating your boss and a belief he's suppressing your longer term earning potential? Remember? |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 16:03 30 Apr 2025
Well said Dave.
If Madsen had come in and played like Jean Tigana from day one and we sold him to Newcastle for 4x what we paid for him in the January window we'd all love him still. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 16:00 30 Apr 2025
Two reasons. You don't hate it. You love it. You love (some of) the staff you manage, you love your customers. You just hate your boss.
And the other one is they're giving you more money.
99% plus of people would take more money when offered rather than resign out of principle. If you wouldn't - well done Mother Theresa but you're the outlier not MC. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 15:52 30 Apr 2025
Really? You're in a job you love and have strived your whole life to have but working for a boss you detest... You're offered a pay rise to do the exact same job and you'd say no thank you? Seriously? |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 12:53 30 Apr 2025
Do you think Danny Rohl's agent wasn't in the ear of multiple clubs last summer?
I think you're reading more into that being an outlier because of what's happened this week with WBA. I'd imagine it's happening all over the place with ascending managers (and players). It's modern football. At the very least his agents stand to profit from making that move happen.
Again to name check Hunter for putting it so well in multiple posts this week - A lot of those that are backing MC over Nourry here don't believe him to be a faultless saint. He's been looking after himself more than any of us would like. But I see that - to an extent- as partly his prerogative after achieving that unimaginable reclamation job of last year. If we're going to only employ people that would put QPR above their own interests the shortlist would likely be limited to Ian Holloway and Marc Bircham. We had one of those and bombed him out for Steve McLaren as he sweet talked our board behind his back. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 12:39 30 Apr 2025
What do you expect the answer to be here James? I mean why do people get divorced? It's not always one, big, glaring reason. You keep noting two specific reasons yourself but surmising subjectively 'they're not enough'. Maybe there isn't one big reason, maybe there are 100 more of similar magnitude? Maybe they're the only two but Marti sees them as deal breakers.
It's easy to be flippant about those things now we're sat here with 53 points on the board but how did you think Cifuentes was feeling last summer and right up to November? He had no strikers of any worth to pick, plenty on the injury table, shipping goals from set pieces and we were bottom of the table. You find it hard to believe that in that environment Marti felt it consequential whether we could employ a set piece coach and that our Performance Director was only contactable via Zoom?
I'm sure they're not the only reasons and surely a huge part of the clash came down to personality and communication styles etc. but equally you can't dismiss the specifics you have been given just because they don't bother YOU personally. [Post edited 30 Apr 12:41]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:18 30 Apr 2025
Well I couldn't agree more with you there and have said the same in other threads.
Personally though I believe that commercial madness is the reality of the situation. So much of what Lassel has claimed has come to fruition and continues to do so. And the whole picture he's painted here stacks up. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:12 30 Apr 2025
Just to be clear I'm just as apoplectic with rage toward the board as I am toward Nourry; not just because they brought him here and handed him the keys but because there's a long line of manipulative characters that they've trusted before him.
We can't fix or changed the board this offseason though. We're stuck with them. They however could hold Nourry as a mere employee accountable for this farce and get shot. |
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