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Reply | Fantastic win but the Cifuentes Abuse
at 15:59 22 Dec 2025
Dunno. Find "out of order" pretty close to policing.
It's not exactly poetry, calling him a cnt, but if that's how they feel...
If we're giving opinions about chants, two that wind me up more than that one-off are:
1/ "We hate Cardiff City and Chelsea are shte..." We hate Cardiff? Really?! Because we lost a 2nd Div Play-Off in 2003 to them? Are we're still going on about it? If I was Cardiff I'd think it was tinpot. It's very Brentford, that.
2/ I also hate "everywhere we go, it's the Rangers boys making all the noise" sung when we are home. Away from home, fine. At home? Rinky dink, Reading-style song. |
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Reply | Fantastic win but the Cifuentes Abuse
at 12:19 22 Dec 2025
As long as it's not racist, disaster chanting, homophobic or whatever, you can't police chanting. If it's loud enough for you to hear - and in the R, we could hear it often - then it's how a sizeable number feel. Start your own song instead, see how that goes.
Anyway, so what? A load of young supporters think he's a cnt. So be it. I don't, I liked him, so I didn't sing anything about him. But he was only manager for 18 months, big deal, he has a nice golden handshake as compensation.
It's not nearly as embarrassing as singing "fck off Les Ferdinand" to a club legend because fans didn't like some of his hires, but again, it's what a sizeable number felt. Can't police that - can only counter with your own. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 15:54 17 Dec 2025
"I find him mostly cliched and witless - but then I dislike/distrust all managers, allegedly. I suppose if it's wit you want, you go to Oscar Wilde."
How many languages do you speak? Any interviews you've conducted in English or another tongue we can watch on YouTube, just to compare? |
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Reply | Most despised Rs players
at 19:24 16 Dec 2025
Many QPR players of I've despaired of, hoped they wouldn't play, didn't like the cut of their jib...but never hated any of them.
Other than Joey Barton.
An absolutely despicable scumbag long before he played for QPR, and long after. Never dropped his level, really. Just a massively disturbed, psychopathic and narcissistic wrong 'un. *Before* we signed him, some highlights from Wiki:
*Barton sparked a ten-man brawl in a friendly match against Doncaster Rovers on 25 July 2004 after "hacking" at an opposition player
*December 2004 after an incident at their Christmas party. He stubbed out a lit cigar in youth player Jamie Tandy's eye
* In May 2005, Barton broke a 35-year-old pedestrian's leg while driving his car through Liverpool city centre at 2 am.[
* In the summer of 2005, Barton was sent home from a pre-season tournament in Thailand after assaulting a 15-year-old Everton supporter[3
* Barton was fined £100,000 and suspended by City until the end of the 2006–07 when he assaulted his teammate Ousmane Dabo. Dabo said that he had been hit several times, was left unconscious and had to go to hospital after suffering injuries to his head, including a suspected detached retina.
* 1 July 2008 was sentenced to a four-month suspended prison sentence plus 200 hours of community service and ordered to pay £3,000 compensation and Dabo's court
* On 27 December 2007, Barton was arrested on suspicion of assault in the Church Street area of Liverpool city centre. CCTV showed Barton punching a man twenty times, causing him to lose consciousness, and attacking a teenager, breaking some of his teeth.
* He served 74 days of his prison term
ETC
There was so much more. I remember thinking it was morally bankrupt for clubs to keep signing him...
And then we signed him. And then we made him club captain, making him sound like a cross between Pirlo and Silva in club communications.
And we know how well all that went. But actually, it didn't make me hate Joey Barton any more. But I did then know that Tony Fernandes was a clown and probably worthy of hatred for what he was dragging the club into.
Players, they're just doing their jobs - some better than others. Owners and administrators: much more worthy of hatred, and have hated a few. Hated Wright, hated Fernandes, wasn't keen on Ali Russell, Gianni...but all that that passes too: nothing really lingers beyond contempt. |
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Reply | January transfer rumours
at 10:49 15 Dec 2025
We often get fixated on the last great loan - 'if only we had him now!' Most recent example is Hayden, who was indeed a very important loan, but, actually, maybe we didn't need to splurge out on him: nearly 31, on a decent wedge and contract, can't get a game. I bet they wish they hadn't.
Ronnie Edwards was brilliant on loan. But let's face it, nobody was demanding his loan signature beforehand. Maybe there's better value out there? And do we need a CB in the Jan window? Not sure we need anyone unless we have departures. Recruitment department have been pretty good recently at locating players who fit but haven't been on the fans' radar previously so I'd rather they wait until the summer. Next season is the one we push on, realistically. |
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Reply | Footy pubs in Paris
at 11:43 14 Dec 2025
100% agree. Paris - like all the great European cities - once you know your way around, where to go and what to do is an absolutely magnificent city where you can eat, drink and be very merry on not very much. And it looks beautiful, too. I loved living there and go back regularly. Sorry if someone on this thread had a bad weekend there.
Likewise, people who don't or no longer live in London slagging it off can also go very far out to sea and then get in it. Leave London to us please: it's as good as it ever was, better in many ways. It's you. |
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Reply | What are people’s thoughts on the Club pulling out all the stops in January ?
at 11:11 12 Dec 2025
Last time we were in the PL, we came bottom, losing 24 games, winning eight. Not too many 96th minute winners in there. Getting promoted the year before incurred a world record fine, saddling the club with debt and player wages that we are only just now, eleven years later, emerging cautiously from.
A promotion season would be great. That summer of anticipation would be great. The actual season would probably be infuriating, expensive and, going on recent past experiences, mostly miserable.
I suppose you could have a Sunderland season, that looks good. But you could also have a Burnley season, which looks hard yards. Bearing how far ahead of us Burnley were last season when we played them, I think we need to build like Brentford did over a few seasons - and that probably means a few years bobbing around the upper midtable, flirting with the playoffs sometimes. Here for that, sounds better than the last decade.
This team got beaten by Coventry 7-1, by Ipswich 1-4, by Southampton 1-2...those are play-off/promotion teams. We're not there yet. |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 10:37 11 Dec 2025
Yes, obviously Venables.
Jim Smith also had big success with Derby.
But I was really pointing to managers this century! So...
Ian Holloway's success after leaving us has been notable (yes, Dave B, he was unsuccessful briefly at Millwall, Leicester, Grimsby - but two PL promotions mitigate that, as will Swindon if they go up having been bottom when he took over.)
Paulo Sousa has been very busy since leaving, but not a roaring success anywhere other than Switzerland.
Warncock got Palace promoted after us, but he's an outlier given how many he's managed.
QPR have a very good record for ending management careers, really. |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 08:53 11 Dec 2025
Ian Holloway didn't really struggle at other clubs after us overall, though - in fact he was probably more successful elsewhere. He took both Blackpool and Palace to the Premier League, incredible over-achievements (two Championship play-off finals with Blackpool is amazing work). He had a few misfires over a 25 year career but he's always come back more successfully elsewhere, eg Swindon now. Just a really, really good EFL manager. Less good at PR than Warnock, but just as successful in his own way.
Who are the other managers who've left QPR and then succeeded elsewhere? Struggling to think of them. Overall, I think it's more that QPR don't often appoint very good or suitable managers. In Cifuentes they got a good one and in Stephan they have another, one who looks to my eyes like a subtle upgrade. [Post edited 11 Dec 8:55]
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 18:46 10 Dec 2025
"Er, anyone who doesn't want to watch Preston Knob End, Stoke, Blackburn, the list goes on and on."
Yes, much better watching Burnley, Sunderland, Bournemouth, the list goes on and on. But just for twice as much money.
£50 to watch QPR get pumped 6-0 at Stamford Bridge or Craven Cottage, remember those heady days? Going to Anfield and being filmed by Korean tourists throughout the game, which you lose without having a shot. And at the end of those 12, 24 months you get to come back down and start the trek up all over with a load of mercenary players you're can't shift. Magic.
Promotion to the PL doesn't look to have set Luton or Norwich up "for the next 100 years" (nor Burnley or Wolves for that matter), but I'm sure they enjoyed getting spanked every week then falling down the leagues.
I loved QPR in the top division in the 70s, 80s, 90s but I hated it in the PL last time round. Championship all day. Fck VAR, too. |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 17:48 10 Dec 2025
"Now we're in the top 6 though, is there any reason why we shouldn't stay there?"
If Stoke get a point at Ipswich tonight, or Bristol City beat Leicester and/or Hull beat Wrexham we'll be out of the top six by 10pm this evening. So, three good reasons right there and nothing we can do about it.
Doesn't really matter where you are in the table on December 10, though, as Southampton and probably Sheffield United will prove come May. Staying there until then is not really likely. Being there then is not impossible, though fairly improbable.
Who wants to go up anyway? |
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Reply | Kolli
at 14:42 10 Dec 2025
Did everyone notice that Kolli was on the pitch at the end of the game in club tracksuit, laughing with his team mates and applauding the fans, looking for all the world like an integral member of the squad who might be injured? |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 13:27 10 Dec 2025
By some. That was bollox, though, wasn't it? It was schedule-related. Something borne out by the fact all the same players bar injured Field have played some part in the subsequent two home wins.
It's constantly pointed out that Stephan has a better squad than Marti had last season. But so has Marti got a considerably better squad than he had last season - and probably better players than Stephan has now, cost and wages-wise. Fewer points so far, though. |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 12:14 10 Dec 2025
We've seen Dunne struggle at RB against lesser wingers than Gray so not sure that would've been safer. Poku definitely needed to track Roberts, agreed: I think Stephan was making that point loud and clear at full time to him. Think Poku will be a very important player on the right later in the season, love his directness and that run to the byline creates the goal.
All praise of Julien Stephan must be prefaced by "I liked Marti Cifuentes" and so... I liked Marti Cifuentes, and yes we do have a much better squad in forward positions this season.
However, we don't have Ronnie Edwards, who was the catalyst for recovery from the disastrous position we were in this time last season. And JS is currently playing Madsen and Varane in a central two, with Dunne and Cook at CB in front of Nardi. All five were there available last season but we would never have risked such a line-up in that formation in key positions. It's down to the coaching and the information he's given them that it's working well, as well as the instructions he's given others in and out of possession.
I'd be amazed if JS isn't rapidly rising on the whiteboards of some other higher-placed clubs. |
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Reply | Are you Madsen?
at 11:08 10 Dec 2025
R Block were singing Walking In A Madsen Wonderland last night:
"He used to be shte
But now he's alright
Walking in a Madsen wonderland"
Not the warmest praise, but could catch on. |
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Reply | Julien Stephan - He is doing quite well !!!!
at 11:01 10 Dec 2025
His coaching of the press, where players need to be both out of possession and in is excellent: it's totally flummoxed two bright young English coaches in our last two home games. I am looking forward to the Spires analysis of it because to my untrained eye it looks levels above what we're used to. It's getting better, too. Last night's and the WBA pressing was really top.
It's really risky having those full backs backing up the wide players in the press like we do now, but we're getting really good at it. Nearly had another goal from it (do need some work on our own goal kick bits though - or maybe that'll be solved with a new keeper in Jan...)
I think he's massively underrated (on this thread). Yes, he has better players than Marti, who I really liked, but JS appears to have drilled this lot to such an impactful degree. They're improving every game, both collectively and individually. We're playing a two man midfield of Madsen and Varane, with two strikers new to this level...
It's very impressive work which, much as I liked Marti and Warbs, would've been beyond other recent QPR coaches. And it's ballsy as it definitely isn't the stated game model...shame nobody asked Nourry about that in the meeting.
Anyway, I think he's a very good coach who is getting the best out of these particular players. Excellent hire. |
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Reply | Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry
at 17:35 9 Dec 2025
You read it once and go, 'Oh, OK.'
Then you think about the GDPR over revealing injuries nonsense and how they can't invest in the catering or customer experience because you won't be able then to enjoy your favourite player...and it's such bullsht. Can we swap out one coach or reserve goalie or head of under 16 methodology for some decent bar staff and clean bogs, please?
There are other CEOs who don't need to micromanage youth player loan deals and pie supply chains, surely.
Massive chain-yanker. |
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