 | Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 11:21 10 Jan 2025
Your conflating very different interpretations of Islam.
Madrassahs don't spread extremism in the vast majority of cases they're out of school arabic / Koran studies. Hardly any are full time. No different to church run youth clubs or confirmation classes.
Do you actually know any muslims? |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 11:09 10 Jan 2025
Surely the true and most important issues are the number of victims and the likelihood of there being further victims?
The fact remains that grooming gangs are / were localised with relatively small numbers of victims and there has already been several inquiries.
It is worth noting that the Bristol grooming gang with a very similar MO is rarely lumped in with the others.
I don't think either Burnham or Harman have called anyone a rape apologist. [Post edited 10 Jan 11:13]
|
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 08:15 10 Jan 2025
She didn't she voted for the Childrens Wellbeing bill.
The others voted against a childrens wellbeing bill just to appease populist and misrepresented headlines and a megalomaniac, narcissitic billionaire.
There is definitiely one group of politicians who should be ashamed. |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 07:59 10 Jan 2025
Pretty much every religion believe that. Most religions also believe that Men are superior to women. Fundamentally though all religions are based on peace and respect of fellow humans, depending on the interpretaions of whatever ficitional text they follow.
The behaviour of the men in these cases are probably comes from their entire culture and the circumsatnces they find themselves in.
Mistreatment of anyone wouldn't be preached by their Imman. |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 16:04 9 Jan 2025
I think your last sentence sums this argument up. It's a hotter public topic than the other domains for one reason, it's got nothing to do with the victims who should be front and centre. All other aspects covered in the inquiry have more victims, over a larger geographical area by perpertrators who are harder to spot and victims from all walks of life.
There are far more victims and potential victims to the other sources of abuse. My daughter will never be abused by an Asian gang but she is at risk on the internet or in school for example. Many others are at risk in places of worship or residential schools.
Extreme sexual offences are happening right now on the internet, with younger children and more men.
Vulnerable kids are being used to traffic drugs within 3 miles of my front door.
Young white girls are being exploited by people in authority everywhere. I've seen it myself, you probably have too.
Cover ups have occured in all other organisations to - just look at the reasons for the Archbishop of Cantebury's resignation.
The rape gangs are visible because people in certain areas of the media and politics want them to be - it's not about protecting children which is all that really matters.
Fundamentally though the vast majority of the gang abuse has happened in a small corner of a small country. Encompassing maybe 4 or 5 local authorities, wouldn't it be better (for the victims) for any inquiry to focus on those small areas where local problems, service and the people involved can be pinpointed rather than a generic high level look at the heads of service whoch is what a national inquiry would do? |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 11:26 9 Jan 2025
The already published report focussed on abuse in these broad areas:-
Migration
Custody
Religious settings.
The internet
Local Authority care
Residential schools
Outsdie the Uk.
Westminster.
Organised Gangs.
If this debate was focussed on a national inquiry for each individually then I'm fine with that. But I don't see why if we're to have one it should be for organised gangs? It's also important that many of the victims want a local inquiry to point the finger directly at those responsible for their situation not in the broad terms a national inquiry would do - and already has done.
If someone can justify priortising gangs over the other sources of abuse please do so.
As I've said before if Musk wants to get involved and actually protect children he could be very useful in gaining a huge understanding on one of those topics. He clearly doesn't. He's not interested in protecting a single child on this planet, he could do so easily right now. |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 06:34 9 Jan 2025
No. Obviously not. There's been an investigation on all forms of child abuse who's results were published just 16 months ago.
There are obviously far bigger issues regarding child abuse than grooming gangs. The stats prove that.
If you really want to protect children a national inquiry in to grooming gangs is dealing with a very small part of a massive problem. And also probably not the most effective. |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 20:12 8 Jan 2025
They're fair points, but the grooming gangs abuse constitutes relatively few victims in localised areas. I don't think a national inquiry focusing on that will get the results people think, especially when those results are already known.
If you consider the other areas the 2022 inquiry covered including schools, children in care and abuse in religious organisations the victims are far more numerous, come from all walks of life and could be anywhere in the UK. Surely any one of those would be more worthy of a full national inquiry?
If any source of abuse is worth an inquiry then internet grooming is that. If Elon Musk could put his dog whistle down for a bit and actually wanted to protect children he could make a real difference in that area. |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 15:16 8 Jan 2025
There was one that published in 2022. It wasn't specifically on grooming gangs but did include them aswell as care homes, the Church and other settings. The root cause is the same people in a position of power taking advantage of vulnerable children / young people. The recommendations from that haven't been enacted yet.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have another but what will it really achieve? |
| Forum
Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 19:11 7 Jan 2025
It almost certainly isn't the best place to get answers. As mentioned earlier just 3% of of abuse is down to Asian grooming gangs.
The actual problem is men, or groups of men using a position of perceived authority to abuse vulnerable girls. It's been happening for centuries. It happened to girls I was in school with that I still know to this day. One lost her virginity, as a 14 year old, to a soldier in his mid twenties. The soldier in question still lives in the area. He's a paedophile.
No national inquiry is going to stop that. It's a societal problem. Caused by men.
The main place this happens nowadays is the internet, if only Elon Musk got his own social media house in order before spouting nonsense he doesn't understand.
The comments this weekend made by Kendrick and Badenoch this weekend are shocking. We're going to hell in a handcart. |
| Forum
Reply | Here we go again folks
at 13:12 6 Jan 2025
Of course it is. Covid wasn't the first pandemic mind.
If you haven't been fooled by click bait why have you started a thread comparing a cold to a global pandemic? Be honest, you hadn't even read the article. |
| Forum
Reply | Here we go again folks
at 12:46 6 Jan 2025
Are we?
“The diseases appear to be less severe and spread with a smaller scale compared to the previous year,”
"officials said there is no need for panic as HMPV is “like any other respiratory virus”."
You've been fooled by click bait. |
| Forum
Reply | Here we go again folks
at 08:09 6 Jan 2025
I didn't.
But if you don't get fooled by onbvious click bait you'll understand that this is nothing more than an outbreak of a mild cold. |
| Forum
Reply | Here we go again folks
at 07:49 6 Jan 2025
Wow. Thanks for the warning. I'm off to clear Aldi's shelves of toilet paper. |
| | Scotia
|
Site Scores| Forum Votes: | 1366 | | Comment Votes: | 0 | | Prediction League: | 0 | | TOTAL: | 1366 |
|
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.