| HS2 part two 17:29 - Jun 2 with 1660 views | johnlangy |
It's now been decided that the £7billion investment in the rail line between Oxford and Cambridge is to be designated a England and Wales project.
I'm lost for words. Wales treated with utter contempt yet again.
This is yet another reason why we should get out of this so called voluntary poisonous union as soon as possible. |  | | |  |
| HS2 part two on 21:50 - Jun 2 with 1323 views | Kilkennyjack |
I have come to the very same conclusion John.
This really is taking the pish.
Starmer is a massive unionist and it regularly clouds his judgement.
Unless its just a set up for Eluned to step forward and resolve …? |  |
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| HS2 part two on 09:12 - Jun 3 with 1248 views | trampie |
It's shocking the way Wales is treated. |  |
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| HS2 part two on 09:25 - Jun 3 with 1241 views | onehunglow |
And not just Wales
Most of the north of England is far away from Westminster's thoughts
The north is a pain to them as is Wales | |
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| HS2 part two on 10:22 - Jun 3 with 1216 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
We always vote Labour and that's why they and the other parties take us for granted. |  |
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| HS2 part two on 10:41 - Jun 3 with 1206 views | union_jack |
I’m not that knowledgeable about the funding for this but my guess is that it applies to England and Wales. There are plenty of areas of England notably SW, NW and NE that will get no benefit from this either. I think you are thinking too parochially on this.
I may be wrong and open to being corrected. |  |
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| HS2 part two on 14:54 - Jun 3 with 1135 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
HS2 was always designed to benefit London and the south east as all big investments in the UK are.
Why do I say this.
Firstly the tracks were done London to Birmingham first. This hollowed out the budget when Nimby people demanded we excessive tunnelling where cuttings were much cheaper..Tory heartlands
Secondly there was no HS2 / HS1 link. This was relatively cheap and would have linked the midlands and North to the European rail network. It was called a natter of cost but in fact was blocked by Camden lobbyist once again.
Once the link to Leeds was cancelled it was logical to at least revisit the HS2-HS1 link. This is so toxic routes following the M25 were considered linking HR airport to Gatwick and Ashford. Much much more expensive but a lowered Livvie count with less influential people to upset.
HM Government never cared about linking The North with Europe. It would have been a beautiful sleep trip with a bed all run on green energy.
Nimby s have wrecked a project that was good for the nation. The people of Merthyr saw mining of coal in Wales for Tata as good for the nation. No Nimbys in Merthyr. There is a big hole in the ground heavy pollution and the miner has legged it. £15m in the reclamation pot for £150m works.
Any talk of HS2 must start with the HS2/ HS1 link. |  |
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| HS2 part two on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 1138 views | Kilkennyjack |
| HS2 part two on 09:25 - Jun 3 by onehunglow |
And not just Wales
Most of the north of England is far away from Westminster's thoughts
The north is a pain to them as is Wales |
This is about Wales.
Scotland and the north of Ireland get consequential funding for large English projects.
But because the uk govt have deliberately called the new Oxford to Cambridge link an ‘England and Wales’ project - then Wales gets nothing.
As John says just like HS2 …..
Here it’s explained by Will Haywood …
Only Plaid will kick up enough fuss to stop this abuse.
Labour are taking Welsh votes for granted. | |
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| HS2 part two on 15:04 - Jun 3 with 1135 views | Kilkennyjack |
| HS2 part two on 14:54 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
HS2 was always designed to benefit London and the south east as all big investments in the UK are.
Why do I say this.
Firstly the tracks were done London to Birmingham first. This hollowed out the budget when Nimby people demanded we excessive tunnelling where cuttings were much cheaper..Tory heartlands
Secondly there was no HS2 / HS1 link. This was relatively cheap and would have linked the midlands and North to the European rail network. It was called a natter of cost but in fact was blocked by Camden lobbyist once again.
Once the link to Leeds was cancelled it was logical to at least revisit the HS2-HS1 link. This is so toxic routes following the M25 were considered linking HR airport to Gatwick and Ashford. Much much more expensive but a lowered Livvie count with less influential people to upset.
HM Government never cared about linking The North with Europe. It would have been a beautiful sleep trip with a bed all run on green energy.
Nimby s have wrecked a project that was good for the nation. The people of Merthyr saw mining of coal in Wales for Tata as good for the nation. No Nimbys in Merthyr. There is a big hole in the ground heavy pollution and the miner has legged it. £15m in the reclamation pot for £150m works.
Any talk of HS2 must start with the HS2/ HS1 link. |
With respect, this post is about the new Oxford-Cambridge link being designated as an England and Wales project to rob Wales of consequential funding.
Both Scotland and the north if Ireland will get consequential funding. Wales will get nothing.
Its unfair - pure and simple. | |
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| HS2 part two on 15:21 - Jun 3 with 1116 views | Whiterockin |
| HS2 part two on 15:00 - Jun 3 by Kilkennyjack |
This is about Wales.
Scotland and the north of Ireland get consequential funding for large English projects.
But because the uk govt have deliberately called the new Oxford to Cambridge link an ‘England and Wales’ project - then Wales gets nothing.
As John says just like HS2 …..
Here it’s explained by Will Haywood …
Only Plaid will kick up enough fuss to stop this abuse.
Labour are taking Welsh votes for granted. |
This seems to back you up. Yet some are saying for Plaid to team up with Labour if they fall short of overall power in next year's elections. Can't have it both ways.
https://www.partyof.wales/rail_funding_rejected |  | | |
| HS2 part two on 17:41 - Jun 3 with 1043 views | Luther27 |
Fair play, the Westminster Labour Govt are making Welsh Labour more unelectable every day. | | | |
| HS2 part two on 18:36 - Jun 3 with 1000 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| HS2 part two on 15:04 - Jun 3 by Kilkennyjack |
With respect, this post is about the new Oxford-Cambridge link being designated as an England and Wales project to rob Wales of consequential funding.
Both Scotland and the north if Ireland will get consequential funding. Wales will get nothing.
Its unfair - pure and simple. |
The title was HS2 part two. Th Government in Westminster does not even care about the north where HS2 was supposed to go, let alone Wales. This was the point I was making.
My north Wales relatives would travel theoretically travel by train to Crewe then link to HS2 in Birmingham. They woud theoretically benefit if it linked directly to Europe.
It is about the whole of Wales not just south Wales. North or Mid Welsh would benefit if they wanted to travel to Cambridge by rail as it is an west to east route via Crewe. I do not know the connections that well.
I argue for Senedd support for CWL airport although North Welsh have little benefit. Some like Felixstowe argue we are already excessively over funded from central government. I want Wales to be more economically self dependent. I hope the overall funding is equitable and the ratios take this shortfall into account. | |
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| HS2 part two on 23:57 - Jun 3 with 939 views | Kilkennyjack |
| HS2 part two on 18:36 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The title was HS2 part two. Th Government in Westminster does not even care about the north where HS2 was supposed to go, let alone Wales. This was the point I was making.
My north Wales relatives would travel theoretically travel by train to Crewe then link to HS2 in Birmingham. They woud theoretically benefit if it linked directly to Europe.
It is about the whole of Wales not just south Wales. North or Mid Welsh would benefit if they wanted to travel to Cambridge by rail as it is an west to east route via Crewe. I do not know the connections that well.
I argue for Senedd support for CWL airport although North Welsh have little benefit. Some like Felixstowe argue we are already excessively over funded from central government. I want Wales to be more economically self dependent. I hope the overall funding is equitable and the ratios take this shortfall into account. |
People like Felix often complain that wales gets bailed out by Westminster.
John often tells us that the tax take on Tesco, for example, is all via their Registered HQ in England. Based on taxation alone, it looks like they do zero business in Wales.
I also want Wales to be more economically independent.
We could start with the Crown Estate operating like Scotland.
Devolution of Police, Rail, and CWL airport getting Air Passenger Duty devolved.
That would be a good start. | |
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| HS2 part two on 07:44 - Jun 4 with 862 views | onehunglow |
| HS2 part two on 23:57 - Jun 3 by Kilkennyjack |
People like Felix often complain that wales gets bailed out by Westminster.
John often tells us that the tax take on Tesco, for example, is all via their Registered HQ in England. Based on taxation alone, it looks like they do zero business in Wales.
I also want Wales to be more economically independent.
We could start with the Crown Estate operating like Scotland.
Devolution of Police, Rail, and CWL airport getting Air Passenger Duty devolved.
That would be a good start. |
And I would rather us stick with the union but see our island diversify and move the power base away from London
It is too overwhelming a centre for commerce and always has been
The north and indeed the midlands has been shat on as much aas Wales
It's why Liverpool fans boo GSTK
Same in the North East
Leeds has a significant financial core as has Edinburgh and could and should have seen City jobs transfer there
Everything seems to happen in London and we alike kids of old looking into a TV shop with the new colour televisions | |
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| HS2 part two on 07:46 - Jun 4 with 860 views | onehunglow |
And not just Wales
Most of the north of England is far away from Westminster's thoughts
The north is a pain to them as is Wales | |
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| HS2 part two on 08:52 - Jun 4 with 818 views | johnlangy |
| HS2 part two on 10:41 - Jun 3 by union_jack |
I’m not that knowledgeable about the funding for this but my guess is that it applies to England and Wales. There are plenty of areas of England notably SW, NW and NE that will get no benefit from this either. I think you are thinking too parochially on this.
I may be wrong and open to being corrected. |
Hi UJ. You are right to say that some areas of England will also not benefit from this. Because everything is almost always London and sod the rest of the UK.
But the system in place provides fair funding to Wales, Scotland and NI when the government decides to invest in just England. I'd agree a system should cover English regions in a similar way but at the moment that's not in place.
So I'm talking about the current system and this latest corrupt decision means Wales will lose out on about £350 million | | | |
| HS2 part two on 16:25 - Jun 4 with 735 views | SullutaCreturned |
| HS2 part two on 08:52 - Jun 4 by johnlangy |
Hi UJ. You are right to say that some areas of England will also not benefit from this. Because everything is almost always London and sod the rest of the UK.
But the system in place provides fair funding to Wales, Scotland and NI when the government decides to invest in just England. I'd agree a system should cover English regions in a similar way but at the moment that's not in place.
So I'm talking about the current system and this latest corrupt decision means Wales will lose out on about £350 million |
What you say about London is also true of Wales, cardiff gets more than its fair share.
The whole thing is corrupt.
From what I have read though, the money for this comes froma fund that spends money in England AND Wales which is why there is no Barnett consequential.
That could easily just be more political BS though. | | | |
| HS2 part two on 22:43 - Jun 4 with 673 views | felixstowe_jack |
| HS2 part two on 15:04 - Jun 3 by Kilkennyjack |
With respect, this post is about the new Oxford-Cambridge link being designated as an England and Wales project to rob Wales of consequential funding.
Both Scotland and the north if Ireland will get consequential funding. Wales will get nothing.
Its unfair - pure and simple. |
Yet when the Westminster government offered to fully fund the vital M4 relief road as part of the UK infrastructure programme you applauded Drakeford for refusing the money. | |
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| HS2 part two on 17:55 - Jun 10 with 423 views | johnlangy |
It now transpires that the Oxford - Cambridge rail project had been designated a England only project in 2020, 2021, 2023 and 2024, coincidentally when the Conservatives were in power. But then was changed to England and Wales since Labour got in.
I'm fully expecting the announcement of a huge injection of money into Welsh rail infrastructure in the spending review tomorrow to balance up this and previous injustices, HS2 being the obvious one.
When these billions become known tomorrow i'll repost. Please stop laughing at the back. | | | |
| HS2 part two on 18:10 - Jun 10 with 403 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| HS2 part two on 17:55 - Jun 10 by johnlangy |
It now transpires that the Oxford - Cambridge rail project had been designated a England only project in 2020, 2021, 2023 and 2024, coincidentally when the Conservatives were in power. But then was changed to England and Wales since Labour got in.
I'm fully expecting the announcement of a huge injection of money into Welsh rail infrastructure in the spending review tomorrow to balance up this and previous injustices, HS2 being the obvious one.
When these billions become known tomorrow i'll repost. Please stop laughing at the back. |
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| HS2 part two on 11:35 - Jun 11 with 313 views | Vincent_Vega |
An announcement of investment in time before a big election year to persuade voters? Well I never.
Tories did this trick before when they said they'd electrify to Swansea and look at helping fund the lagoon only for it be never mentioned again. Crooks the lot of them. |  |
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| HS2 part two on 12:37 - Jun 11 with 289 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| HS2 part two on 11:35 - Jun 11 by Vincent_Vega |
An announcement of investment in time before a big election year to persuade voters? Well I never.
Tories did this trick before when they said they'd electrify to Swansea and look at helping fund the lagoon only for it be never mentioned again. Crooks the lot of them. |
It is not a tricky it is democracy. If the people are unhappy The government has to act. £453m for Welsh rail projects. | |
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| HS2 part two on 13:16 - Jun 11 with 272 views | Vincent_Vega |
| HS2 part two on 12:37 - Jun 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is not a tricky it is democracy. If the people are unhappy The government has to act. £453m for Welsh rail projects. |
Yes but my cynicism is born from making promises knowing they wont follow them through. Tories/Labour they're all the same.
They could offer £453b until I see it happen I'll file under BS.
The fact its mostly for the South East is another point that should be addressed. How long does it take to get to Aberystwyth from Carmarthen again? | |
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| HS2 part two on 13:58 - Jun 11 with 262 views | Boundy |
| HS2 part two on 13:16 - Jun 11 by Vincent_Vega |
Yes but my cynicism is born from making promises knowing they wont follow them through. Tories/Labour they're all the same.
They could offer £453b until I see it happen I'll file under BS.
The fact its mostly for the South East is another point that should be addressed. How long does it take to get to Aberystwyth from Carmarthen again? |
Swansea to Aberystwyth is 70 miles but 2 and half hours to reach by car, by train just under 8 hours with 2 trains per day . | |
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| HS2 part two on 14:18 - Jun 11 with 255 views | Vincent_Vega |
| HS2 part two on 13:58 - Jun 11 by Boundy |
Swansea to Aberystwyth is 70 miles but 2 and half hours to reach by car, by train just under 8 hours with 2 trains per day . |
There we are then, 8 hours from London on a train you could get to Inverness and the road from Swansea to Aber once you get past Carmarthen is the same as when drovers used to take cattle to market centuries ago. | |
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