| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:09 - Dec 8 with 1999 views | onehunglow |
Well that’s very detailed
Incredible really
Hard to know what to say except who’s going to coach the players with Vitor
At face value, as a clueless clown myself, it looks concerning to say the least |  |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:34 - Dec 8 with 1945 views | wwcigne |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:09 - Dec 8 by onehunglow |
Well that’s very detailed
Incredible really
Hard to know what to say except who’s going to coach the players with Vitor
At face value, as a clueless clown myself, it looks concerning to say the least |
The 3 coaches were coming to us with guaranteed work , earning money and paying their taxes and any other contributions required in our country , I think they’d even be allowed into Australia under those circumstances, and their regulations are tight | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:39 - Dec 8 with 1912 views | onehunglow |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:34 - Dec 8 by wwcigne |
The 3 coaches were coming to us with guaranteed work , earning money and paying their taxes and any other contributions required in our country , I think they’d even be allowed into Australia under those circumstances, and their regulations are tight |
Makes you wonder der why then ?
What do ya think ? | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 11:37 - Dec 8 with 1762 views | KeithHaynes |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 10:34 - Dec 8 by wwcigne |
The 3 coaches were coming to us with guaranteed work , earning money and paying their taxes and any other contributions required in our country , I think they’d even be allowed into Australia under those circumstances, and their regulations are tight |
It’s more about qualifications to do that specific work mate. |  |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 11:44 - Dec 8 with 1739 views | Whiterockin |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 11:37 - Dec 8 by KeithHaynes |
It’s more about qualifications to do that specific work mate. |
Lack of badges/Licences? |  | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 12:50 - Dec 8 with 1552 views | RodgerTheDodger |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 11:44 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
Lack of badges/Licences? |
It's more to do with people in the Home Office playing games. A well qualified candidate who would be asset they will pick through everything to try to find some reason, any reason, to reject. The only surefire counter is political clout, which large companies have and football clubs in wets Wales don't.
On the other hand other groups find it very easy. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 12:55 - Dec 8 with 1539 views | RodgerTheDodger |
I note that when Sheehan was successful last season Joe Allen and probably Leon Britton were helping out. With the departure of Sheehan and the arrival of Matos are helping out again and things have gone back to how they looked at the end of last season. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 13:56 - Dec 8 with 1418 views | KeithHaynes |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 11:44 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
Lack of badges/Licences? |
To meet the criteria laid down that displays a competency higher than level 6 in the banding for football employment is an issue. Portuguese league 2 is way down the ladder for consideration. I think Liam did a big report into it. 👍 | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:03 - Dec 8 with 1401 views | Chippy69 |
Why cant he just get English staff with the right qualifications, he must know loads from is time with Liverpool |  |
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It's time the bastards fell
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:16 - Dec 8 with 1348 views | Boundy |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:03 - Dec 8 by Chippy69 |
Why cant he just get English staff with the right qualifications, he must know loads from is time with Liverpool |
If it was only as simple as just get English staff, hope his network his wide because he will need help regardless. Annoying to say the least when you see far away people slip into the country uninvited and then actively encouraged to work. Beyond annoying .  | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:42 - Dec 8 with 1265 views | QJumpingJack |
A Swans lawyer posted on twitter/x about Swedish top league vs Portuguese second division and the obstacles with the latter. You would imagine the club knew about these hurdles. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:59 - Dec 8 with 1240 views | Whiterockin |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 12:50 - Dec 8 by RodgerTheDodger |
It's more to do with people in the Home Office playing games. A well qualified candidate who would be asset they will pick through everything to try to find some reason, any reason, to reject. The only surefire counter is political clout, which large companies have and football clubs in wets Wales don't.
On the other hand other groups find it very easy. |
Wrong, the rules are plain for everyone to abide by. Possibly we tried to be too clever or just didn't know the rules. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:05 - Dec 8 with 1216 views | Chippy69 |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:42 - Dec 8 by QJumpingJack |
A Swans lawyer posted on twitter/x about Swedish top league vs Portuguese second division and the obstacles with the latter. You would imagine the club knew about these hurdles. |
Anyone who knew what they were doing would have been all over this.
Replacements would have been lined up in case this was a problem
You wont see this from people who know what there doing
And we don't | |
| They make us feel indebted
For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It's time the bastards fell
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:16 - Dec 8 with 1184 views | Whiterockin |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:05 - Dec 8 by Chippy69 |
Anyone who knew what they were doing would have been all over this.
Replacements would have been lined up in case this was a problem
You wont see this from people who know what there doing
And we don't |
A direct quote from the above article.
Meeting Chairman Tom Gorringe we understand was to evaluate the interview of Kim Hellberg who we are told wasn’t that impressed overall with the Swans club structure. That said he did warm to both Gorringe and Adam Worth the recruitment specialist at the club. As Hellberg mentioned upon his appointment at Middlesbrough he felt the north Yorkshire club had everything in place for him and a sporting director with great vision. As it stands the Swans do have some perceived gaps in their employment chain at the Swansea.Com. Does this reflect something of a desire to operate with Gorringe and Worth attending to many matters across the board ?
Hellberg could see what some of us have been saying. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:37 - Dec 8 with 1105 views | wwcigne |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 13:56 - Dec 8 by KeithHaynes |
To meet the criteria laid down that displays a competency higher than level 6 in the banding for football employment is an issue. Portuguese league 2 is way down the ladder for consideration. I think Liam did a big report into it. 👍 |
fact as of Sunday (it could be before that, you can’t see something until you actually see it) open source reviews are very clear in their suggested content on these three coaches. They are at Swansea. If that changes as it seems to do daily then Vitor won’t be gaining touchline support as quickly as he would like. The work permit situation is most certainly going to take time. Why ? First of all the club will use a special service to get through the work permit issue if there isn’t a qualified person within Swansea City. Players are different to coaches, the matter is a bit easier. However, since Brexit there is no immediate freedom of movement which means paperwork, endorsements and a satisfactory track record. Antonio Conte as an example would have no issues at all gaining a UK work permit. League 2 in Portugal isn’t listed as a recognised league to recruit from for immediate endorsement, but there will be other ways to gain a permit for these three staff in limbo. They also have to be endorsed by the Football League, via a Governing Body Endorsement, that can be tricky, and a Pro Licence (A ) UEFA holder is a must have. Or an equivalent. All three coaches are qualified.
That helps.
Surely these qualifications count for something | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 16:55 - Dec 8 with 941 views | KeithHaynes |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:37 - Dec 8 by wwcigne |
fact as of Sunday (it could be before that, you can’t see something until you actually see it) open source reviews are very clear in their suggested content on these three coaches. They are at Swansea. If that changes as it seems to do daily then Vitor won’t be gaining touchline support as quickly as he would like. The work permit situation is most certainly going to take time. Why ? First of all the club will use a special service to get through the work permit issue if there isn’t a qualified person within Swansea City. Players are different to coaches, the matter is a bit easier. However, since Brexit there is no immediate freedom of movement which means paperwork, endorsements and a satisfactory track record. Antonio Conte as an example would have no issues at all gaining a UK work permit. League 2 in Portugal isn’t listed as a recognised league to recruit from for immediate endorsement, but there will be other ways to gain a permit for these three staff in limbo. They also have to be endorsed by the Football League, via a Governing Body Endorsement, that can be tricky, and a Pro Licence (A ) UEFA holder is a must have. Or an equivalent. All three coaches are qualified.
That helps.
Surely these qualifications count for something |
Is that from Liam ?
Love him.
Yes, but there’s clearly other issues. Could be background checks, anything . Not stating there are issues there. | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:02 - Dec 8 with 936 views | RodgerTheDodger |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 14:59 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
Wrong, the rules are plain for everyone to abide by. Possibly we tried to be too clever or just didn't know the rules. |
You think? A customer of mine had a Swiss engineer rejected because the officer involved saw Technische Hochschule and thought it was the same as High School. He in fact had a very good degree from ETH Zürich, ranked 11th in the world list of Universities. It got sorted out, but they had to fight.
Never assume that the UK civil service will follow the rules, they might, they might not, they might know what the rules are, they quite likely won't. And they are never wrong. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:50 - Dec 8 with 791 views | KeithHaynes |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:40 - Dec 8 by max936 |
Some people upstairs need to get a train ticket one way only, This 100%
Surely they should have sorted Matos staff out before hiring Matos, sounds like they were at panic stations, maybe from pressure above.
Someone at least should be collecting their P45 for not making sure, before hiring Matos. |
People will be surprised when it eventually comes out about the hiring process of Matos. | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:59 - Dec 8 with 745 views | Whiterockin |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:50 - Dec 8 by KeithHaynes |
People will be surprised when it eventually comes out about the hiring process of Matos. |
So did Hellberg turn us down or was he never offered the job. Gorringe has stated he was only one of several interviewed and also stated Matos was our first choice. The article above leaves me unsure. | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 18:00 - Dec 8 with 739 views | wwcigne |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 17:50 - Dec 8 by KeithHaynes |
People will be surprised when it eventually comes out about the hiring process of Matos. |
In a good way or a bad way | | | |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 18:05 - Dec 8 with 721 views | KeithHaynes |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 18:00 - Dec 8 by wwcigne |
In a good way or a bad way |
It will shut up 90% of the Swans support.
But that’s for another day. | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 18:36 - Dec 8 with 621 views | vetchonian |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 12:50 - Dec 8 by RodgerTheDodger |
It's more to do with people in the Home Office playing games. A well qualified candidate who would be asset they will pick through everything to try to find some reason, any reason, to reject. The only surefire counter is political clout, which large companies have and football clubs in wets Wales don't.
On the other hand other groups find it very easy. |
its more to do with the FAW or FA I suspect | |
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| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 19:04 - Dec 8 with 549 views | max936 |
| Revealing Swans visit : Brett Cravatt gets insight plus Vitor accepts the future on 15:16 - Dec 8 by Whiterockin |
A direct quote from the above article.
Meeting Chairman Tom Gorringe we understand was to evaluate the interview of Kim Hellberg who we are told wasn’t that impressed overall with the Swans club structure. That said he did warm to both Gorringe and Adam Worth the recruitment specialist at the club. As Hellberg mentioned upon his appointment at Middlesbrough he felt the north Yorkshire club had everything in place for him and a sporting director with great vision. As it stands the Swans do have some perceived gaps in their employment chain at the Swansea.Com. Does this reflect something of a desire to operate with Gorringe and Worth attending to many matters across the board ?
Hellberg could see what some of us have been saying. |
You have to wonder has to how Cravatt has done so well in business with his lack of attention to detail at SCFC showing up with big important gaps, Gorringe's past goes before him though so perhaps Cravatt has put to much trust in him and Worth, I think the summer signings are showing up to be not what they should be, well some for certain going on performances and results. |  |
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