| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets 13:50 - Aug 12 with 5069 views | AnotherJohn |
Said to be about 10 times what Starmer claimed, despite some Treasury jiggery-pokery which uses a bizarre formula whereby future spending is given a lower value than present spending (the "Social. Time Preference Rate").
https://www.standard.co.uk/new [Post edited 12 Aug 2025 13:59]
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:16 - Aug 14 with 2013 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:10 - Aug 14 by Boundy |
I think you'll find that quite a few Labour led councils do indeed offer this "incentives" and are not isolated incidents . IMO there's no need to try and make this lot look bad ,they're doing a splendid job themselves . |
I’m not on about them making Labour look bad, just them stirring up hate.
Do you know which councils over those things as standard?
I’m not trying to justify it, it’s more we need to sort the immigration issue so we need to focus on the important things and make points in good faith.
It’s stories like these that lead the bad actors to turn up at the peaceful protests and cause havoc. | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:48 - Aug 14 with 1983 views | controversial_jack |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:10 - Aug 14 by Boundy |
I think you'll find that quite a few Labour led councils do indeed offer this "incentives" and are not isolated incidents . IMO there's no need to try and make this lot look bad ,they're doing a splendid job themselves . |
Reform controlled councils aren't exactly covering themselves in glory. They paralysed a Kent council. And have done similar elsewhere | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 14:22 - Aug 14 with 1955 views | Boundy |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:48 - Aug 14 by controversial_jack |
Reform controlled councils aren't exactly covering themselves in glory. They paralysed a Kent council. And have done similar elsewhere |
A council or many what is it to be ? | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 17:49 - Aug 14 with 1907 views | controversial_jack |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 14:22 - Aug 14 by Boundy |
A council or many what is it to be ? |
Ive mentioned 2 , do you want them to
Mess up more? | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 19:42 - Aug 14 with 1874 views | Boundy |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 17:49 - Aug 14 by controversial_jack |
Ive mentioned 2 , do you want them to
Mess up more? |
No you haven't but crack on .👍 | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 22:15 - Aug 14 with 1837 views | controversial_jack |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 19:42 - Aug 14 by Boundy |
No you haven't but crack on .👍 |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 22:22 - Aug 14 with 1842 views | Boundy |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 13:54 - Aug 15 with 1760 views | howenjack |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:48 - Aug 14 by controversial_jack |
Reform controlled councils aren't exactly covering themselves in glory. They paralysed a Kent council. And have done similar elsewhere |
The biggest catastrophe of a council is labour led . | | | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 23:05 - Aug 15 with 1714 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 21:13 - Aug 13 by Flashberryjack |
There's hell of a lot of truth in what you say, the UK is the laughing stock of the world, even the migrants that we help are laughing. |
They are probably Kurds or Arabs from Iraq. About 20 years ago the British Army alongside US army went to their country and blew up all the civil amenities like oil and gas and water and electricity suppliers over about 4 years.
We then said oops we were wrong there is no Weapon of mass destruction here like the Isrealis told us. Sorry about that. USA and Israel have been destabilising unfriendly state s ever since at the behest of some pretty unpleasant Settlers in you know where.
They gave finally got around to UK who signed up to excessively liberal humans right rules present in Europe which suits USA and Israeli people just fine.
The guys laughing were saying "Why did you wreck my home?". It is clear to me Europe absorbed the Middle easterners and they did not pass on the UK. Then Brexit happened and UK is still signed up to out of date liberal asylum laws. |  |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 09:01 - Aug 16 with 1674 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 23:05 - Aug 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are probably Kurds or Arabs from Iraq. About 20 years ago the British Army alongside US army went to their country and blew up all the civil amenities like oil and gas and water and electricity suppliers over about 4 years.
We then said oops we were wrong there is no Weapon of mass destruction here like the Isrealis told us. Sorry about that. USA and Israel have been destabilising unfriendly state s ever since at the behest of some pretty unpleasant Settlers in you know where.
They gave finally got around to UK who signed up to excessively liberal humans right rules present in Europe which suits USA and Israeli people just fine.
The guys laughing were saying "Why did you wreck my home?". It is clear to me Europe absorbed the Middle easterners and they did not pass on the UK. Then Brexit happened and UK is still signed up to out of date liberal asylum laws. |
That argument is an absolute nonsense argument. People generally don’t flee to those regimes and countries who are trying to attack, persecute or destroy them.
We didn’t see millions of Jews desperately trying to break into Nazi germany.
Similarly we didn’t see 13th century women flooding eastwards because they wanted some more of that hot Mongolian action. |  |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 14:19 - Aug 16 with 1625 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 09:01 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That argument is an absolute nonsense argument. People generally don’t flee to those regimes and countries who are trying to attack, persecute or destroy them.
We didn’t see millions of Jews desperately trying to break into Nazi germany.
Similarly we didn’t see 13th century women flooding eastwards because they wanted some more of that hot Mongolian action. |
None of them believes UK people are hostile to them but the British army was for sure. I recall Hillary Benn demanding the RAF joined in the bombing of northern Syria. The people's they bombed are now cutting my hair.
USA Isreal in particular have destabilised several Arab states in sequence. Iran next.. Turkiye took 4m.Millions in Italy Germany and Greece.
UK was kept out of the firing line in EU. Not any more. Farage wanted to create an Anglo Asian economic powerhouse. Welcome to Brexit.
I do not worry too much about Chagos. UK stole Diego Garcia in the first place. International law could have forced us out but we have come to an agreement . The number are larged but shared by others and there is a lot of accounting mumbo jumbo. A quoted simple figure means nothing.
UK has plenty of accountants. We have been ripping off the South for centuries.. [Post edited 16 Aug 2025 14:29]
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 15:09 - Aug 16 with 1614 views | AnotherJohn |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 11:57 - Aug 14 by Gwyn737 |
The bits about driving lessons, martial arts, mobile phones and football tickets.
There are no direct government provisions for these. There may be isolated incidents where community groups and/or charities may provide these things, but publications like The Mail make it look like government schemes to stir up hate. |
There have been some exceptions regarding phones as the Home Office did hand out at least 14,000 handsets to assist with screening interviews around 2021-22.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Currently some migrant charities and legal firms provide mobile phones to maintain contact with persons making asylum claims or appeals.
The other discounts/free entitlements mostly come from certain Councils.
The Scottish Government has funded free bus travel for asylum seekers and the Welsh Government funds some discretionary help with accommodation etc. | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 18:56 - Oct 8 with 1065 views | AnotherJohn |
Here is the latest development in the wake of that awful Chagos deal that Contro and others said was good news for the UK.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 20:27 - Oct 8 with 1027 views | max936 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 18:56 - Oct 8 by AnotherJohn |
Here is the latest development in the wake of that awful Chagos deal that Contro and others said was good news for the UK.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news |
Its the Daily Express mind, they got more far fetched stories than Jackanory. |  |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 20:43 - Oct 8 with 1015 views | AnotherJohn |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 20:27 - Oct 8 by max936 |
Its the Daily Express mind, they got more far fetched stories than Jackanory. |
Is the Standard any better? I don't think the arrivals are something out of Jackanory.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coun | | | |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 21:59 - Oct 8 with 992 views | Demitrius |
I have formed the opinion that AG Hermer and Starmer are currently two huge clear and present dangers to Britain navigating its way out of bankruptcy and a bail out from the IMF...
They are doing the devil's work to ruin us. They have to be following a prescribed agenda because this is national fiscal suicide.
Meanwhile you and me are paying for them to carry these policies out via increased taxation and pension fund raids..
Reminds me very much of the end of the Weimar Republic,. a hollow "democracy without democrats", crippling reparations costs and a population that feels utterly betrayed by successive lying backstabbing politicians...
Enter Nigel the saviour.... |  |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 23:27 - Oct 8 with 956 views | max936 |
I don't know I don't read any of them, but I see plenty of pure nonsense posted online from the Daily express none of it turns out to be true., it is true that the People of Chagos wanted to remain British but were let down by this clown of a Prime Minister, so I expect that they feel entitled to come to Britain after their Island has been given away.
The main point I was making was regarding the Daily Express has a "Newspaper" [Post edited 8 Oct 2025 23:29]
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 12:02 - Oct 9 with 903 views | onehunglow |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 21:59 - Oct 8 by Demitrius |
I have formed the opinion that AG Hermer and Starmer are currently two huge clear and present dangers to Britain navigating its way out of bankruptcy and a bail out from the IMF...
They are doing the devil's work to ruin us. They have to be following a prescribed agenda because this is national fiscal suicide.
Meanwhile you and me are paying for them to carry these policies out via increased taxation and pension fund raids..
Reminds me very much of the end of the Weimar Republic,. a hollow "democracy without democrats", crippling reparations costs and a population that feels utterly betrayed by successive lying backstabbing politicians...
Enter Nigel the saviour.... |
You do realise Wales is solid Labour
Or is it?
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 15:19 - Oct 15 with 738 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
In Wales immigration is not a devolved issue. Therefore every penny that the Senedd spends on asylum seekers is out of the budget designed for the general population. |  |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 19:21 - Jan 23 with 359 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Looks like Starmer has changed his mind? | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 00:20 - Jan 24 with 287 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 15:19 - Oct 15 by JACKMANANDBOY |
In Wales immigration is not a devolved issue. Therefore every penny that the Senedd spends on asylum seekers is out of the budget designed for the general population. |
Wales has a very good record on social integration and as far as I know there has never been race riots or serious ethnic tensions. Percentages in Wales of ethnic groups is far less than the big English urban centres of course. Investing in integration is a wise investment,
Migration is a fact of life thee days, Many students are getting extended work visa to work in place like Amazon who do not even pay tax on their UK profits. One wonders what is the point of having them. They smash local competition pay tax in Roi and much of workers wages saving go to India or Bangladesh | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 09:37 - Jan 24 with 250 views | AnotherJohn |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 19:21 - Jan 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Looks like Starmer has changed his mind? |
It is too early to say how this will develop, but the suggestion that ratifying the Chagos deal would conflict with our obligations under a 1966 agreement between the UK and USA concerning the Diego Garcia base and so be against international law is interesting. This appears to be a treaty recognised by the UN that is still in force (Treaty 8737).
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Pu
Article 1 states "the territory shall remain under UK sovereignty", which Tories in the House of Lords say means that the new agreement would violate international law.
Article 11 also appears highly relevant and might be taken to mean that the USA must agree to any variation of this agreement.
(11) The United States Government and the United Kingdom Government
contemplate that the islands shall remain available to meet the possible defense
needs of the two Governments for an indefinitely long period. Accordingly, after an initial period of 50 years this Agreement shall continue in force for a further period of twenty years unless, not more than two years before the end of the initial period, either Government shall have given notice of termination to the other, in which case this Agreement shall terminate two years from the date of such notice.
No doubt, Lord Hermer and company will find grounds for arguing that this does not in fact contradict the current Chagos treaty, but to me it illustrates the knots that nation states tie themselves up in when they attempt to create an international rule-based order by entering multiple cross-cutting treaties that they assume will resolve real-world disputes. It is becoming evident that the current Chagos deal will not shut down legal disputation, but rather open up possibilities for new disputes. In December the Chagossian Voices pressure group drew encouragement when the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination urged the UK and Mauritius not to ratify the new agreement because it violated the human rights of the indigenous islanders. Meanwhile the Government of the Maldives has written to the UK government asserting that they have a stronger claim to sovereignty over the Chagos Islands than Mauritius and also opposing ratification. Now we have complications with the USA. [Post edited 24 Jan 9:47]
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 10:18 - Jan 24 with 219 views | max936 |
| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 09:01 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That argument is an absolute nonsense argument. People generally don’t flee to those regimes and countries who are trying to attack, persecute or destroy them.
We didn’t see millions of Jews desperately trying to break into Nazi germany.
Similarly we didn’t see 13th century women flooding eastwards because they wanted some more of that hot Mongolian action. |
No point talking sense to some Joesus. | |
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| Cost of Chagos Islands deal rockets on 21:45 - Jan 24 with 110 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I am not an accountant but the HM Government is suggesting it t is £100n a year for 100 years with no mark up for Inflation. That is £10 billion in cash.
They are suggesting the £3.6billon valuation is that real value allowing for a notional inflation of say 5% . That would be good for UK.
If however the £100m is adjusted for inflation it is the bigger figure £10 billion in real terms as the £100m increases every year.
Then there is the rent USA pays UK for land it does not own. Sub lease. Hopefully that is payable and is increased with inflation. Ideally the deal with Mauritius does not include inflation and the deal with USA does. in this case UK will have a good income in the later parts of the lease. By then USA if still a global power might gazzump UK and sign their own m lease with Mauritius.
Thinking about it. It could be that is what Trump is doing right now. It fits his business style. One hopes that our well paid UK lawyers will kick that one into touch. All hypothetical of course.
There is more heat than light on this thread it seems to me.. Where everything is politicised clarity is missing. You gave to trust UK lawyers and accountants. They ars pretty good. [Post edited 24 Jan 21:54]
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