| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:01 - Dec 7 with 2551 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:28 - Dec 7 by dingdangblue |
Worryingly too now we have injuries to 3 of our best starting X1 in Whatmuff, Beckwith and Rodney. Beckwith's didn't sound good going off Jim. Said he had a lot of swelling already (presume its his knee the way he was helped off the pitch). If its his ACL then that's it for the season. Whatmuff hopefully should be back early new year but not sure about Rodney? Jim said it was a muscle injury he picked up last week (after resting him at Tamworth so he didn't pick up a muscle injury on their 4g pitch!) - just goes to show you cant pick and choose games protecting from injuries trying to be clever - they can happen anytime. |
To be fair, though, if the medical staff tell the manager that's the best course of action, then anything that could be construed as 'trying to be clever' would be very negligent. [Post edited 7 Dec 11:11]
|  |
| You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked? |
|  |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:03 - Dec 7 with 2543 views | Dalenet |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty |
The last eighteen months have been under the stewardship of the Ogdens, apart from the pitch what has happened in that time to make McNulty feel so hard done by? He's been provided with a great squad of players and a new coaching team. The issue with the pitch is being addressed and he knows that. |
I think you are in danger of turning the comments of a man that was both angry and frsutrated with the outcome of a game into a villain. Remember his emotions are high after a game - I generally don't listen to him now after a game because he talks tripe. Is he frustrated that we haven't got a decent pitch after all the money spent on it 5 years ago - Yes he is. Aren't we all. He was very very clear that the new owners had nothing to do with that and that they are focussed on helping him to fix things. His swipe was at previous regimes. I would of course respectfully remind him that previous regimes have done their best with their hands tied behind their back. Money has always been in short supply. He will have felt that in all his time at the club. If only we had the support base of a York, a Southend, or a Carlisle, and we would have had the funds to make sure everything was fine. But we don't. And of course these clubs haven't ever gone bust either despite their incomes have they? I think we all know that we have been very lucky to have survived over the past 20+ years. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:11 - Dec 7 with 2479 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:42 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty |
'As the Rochdsle manager this is the car crash of management that i've been exposed to at the club so i shouldn't be surpised at today'. Poor Jim.
As fans and a club we've also been exposed to some shocking managerial decisions by him that have cost the club big time so maybe we're quits on everything, playing the blame game is easy Jim. Stop feeling sorry or yourself and look forward to what's ahead. [Post edited 7 Dec 9:48]
|
Again, if that's what was said, his attitude doesn't encourage respect, even when results point that way and hence my continued hesitance to give him the credit he thinks he deserves. The Ogdens fully deserve it
It's also not the messaging his players should be hearing. The managerial support he's been granted isn't being appreciated. He even hinted at the pitch situation being sorted a couple of weeks back, and seemed happy enough then. It's not his unique skill set that has Dale still on top of the league, but the support he's received |  |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:20 - Dec 7 with 2417 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:11 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
Again, if that's what was said, his attitude doesn't encourage respect, even when results point that way and hence my continued hesitance to give him the credit he thinks he deserves. The Ogdens fully deserve it
It's also not the messaging his players should be hearing. The managerial support he's been granted isn't being appreciated. He even hinted at the pitch situation being sorted a couple of weeks back, and seemed happy enough then. It's not his unique skill set that has Dale still on top of the league, but the support he's received |
It was posted earlier in the thread what he said.
He makes a point of giving the current regime full credit for their work in the interview. Unless there are quotes to the contrary, rather than an interpretation of it, that’s where we are. |  |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:30 - Dec 7 with 2377 views | EllDale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:28 - Dec 7 by dingdangblue |
Worryingly too now we have injuries to 3 of our best starting X1 in Whatmuff, Beckwith and Rodney. Beckwith's didn't sound good going off Jim. Said he had a lot of swelling already (presume its his knee the way he was helped off the pitch). If its his ACL then that's it for the season. Whatmuff hopefully should be back early new year but not sure about Rodney? Jim said it was a muscle injury he picked up last week (after resting him at Tamworth so he didn't pick up a muscle injury on their 4g pitch!) - just goes to show you cant pick and choose games protecting from injuries trying to be clever - they can happen anytime. |
The signing of Galvin looks particularly prescient now if Beckwith is sidelined for a while. Will also be interesting to see if Totunda features at Leamington. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:34 - Dec 7 with 2361 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:20 - Dec 7 by 442Dale |
It was posted earlier in the thread what he said.
He makes a point of giving the current regime full credit for their work in the interview. Unless there are quotes to the contrary, rather than an interpretation of it, that’s where we are. |
Where we are is having manager who, through being supported at the outset of his career, has been granted an opportunity many others aren't but might equally have done a similar job with a better attitude
There's no "car crash" in being granted that opportunity. The only crashes have occurred in key fixtures at the back end of last season. You and i had a conversation about him in the early days of his tenure. My opinion hasn't changed, he's lucky to be where he is, heavily supported but still inclined to the kind of negativity i can't listen to. On balance, terms like "car crash" just aren't appropriate, however those who hear them might interpret them | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:41 - Dec 7 with 2308 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:34 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
Where we are is having manager who, through being supported at the outset of his career, has been granted an opportunity many others aren't but might equally have done a similar job with a better attitude
There's no "car crash" in being granted that opportunity. The only crashes have occurred in key fixtures at the back end of last season. You and i had a conversation about him in the early days of his tenure. My opinion hasn't changed, he's lucky to be where he is, heavily supported but still inclined to the kind of negativity i can't listen to. On balance, terms like "car crash" just aren't appropriate, however those who hear them might interpret them |
Based on the continued improvements, aided by the support he’s received, seen across all the games we’ve witnessed in the last 2.5 years, my opinion is he’s getting better as a manager.
Like others before him, including Hill, he says a lot of things I don’t agree with. But I personally can look past that because going to games is enjoyable again. Even when we get it wrong. | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:52 - Dec 7 with 2273 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:30 - Dec 7 by EllDale |
The signing of Galvin looks particularly prescient now if Beckwith is sidelined for a while. Will also be interesting to see if Totunda features at Leamington. |
Good point about Tutonda. Would play him or Galvin on the left of the three next week and see how they do.
Pritchard is so crucial now if Allarakhia goes to the AFCON. The signings of both Berkoe and Galvin don’t seem to have fit with how we play. Can see problems developing down that side this next couple of months. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:04 - Dec 7 with 2214 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:44 - Dec 7 by 442Dale |
Don’t think he does hard done by, just sharing what he feels about managing the club. Like he shared how he felt about all the work the Ogdens have done recently in addressing the pitch issue.
He was probably, like everyone, rightly annoyed by what happened with the pitch at the start of the year. The criticism on here and from supporters in general then was justified, so the manager and others may have had similar opinions.
What annoyed me most yesterday were any comments about the pitch costing us a game we were winning. It didn’t, because we were only winning because of the pitch. The game should have been called off before then, so debating whether it could have finished makes no sense. |
Yes agree with your last point. The pitch kicked us in the teeth for a final time yesterday as a parting gift. I drove past this morning and the heavy machinery is on the pitch gaining revenge for yesterday. [Post edited 7 Dec 12:12]
|  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:16 - Dec 7 with 2147 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:04 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty |
Yes agree with your last point. The pitch kicked us in the teeth for a final time yesterday as a parting gift. I drove past this morning and the heavy machinery is on the pitch gaining revenge for yesterday. [Post edited 7 Dec 12:12]
|
Someone mentioned yesterday about the club providing regular updates on the work, including reporting on problems encountered as they’re discovered. Would give us all a better understanding of what might have gone wrong in the past and what will be in place going forward. | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:23 - Dec 7 with 2108 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:41 - Dec 7 by 442Dale |
Based on the continued improvements, aided by the support he’s received, seen across all the games we’ve witnessed in the last 2.5 years, my opinion is he’s getting better as a manager.
Like others before him, including Hill, he says a lot of things I don’t agree with. But I personally can look past that because going to games is enjoyable again. Even when we get it wrong. |
it is more enjoyable, and "looking past" his words is one thing but as yet, he's actually achieved nothing, as opposed to KH as one example
When he starts to look past the errors he's made in the really key fixtures and take us over those lines, then - and only then - might my attitude change | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:30 - Dec 7 with 2086 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:16 - Dec 7 by 442Dale |
Someone mentioned yesterday about the club providing regular updates on the work, including reporting on problems encountered as they’re discovered. Would give us all a better understanding of what might have gone wrong in the past and what will be in place going forward. |
I hope that happens, it's a relief that they've finally started the work. It will be interesting to hear why the water wasn't draining through the pitch. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:32 - Dec 7 with 2083 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:23 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
it is more enjoyable, and "looking past" his words is one thing but as yet, he's actually achieved nothing, as opposed to KH as one example
When he starts to look past the errors he's made in the really key fixtures and take us over those lines, then - and only then - might my attitude change |
In the interest of fairness, he's more or less nailed it with our away performances this season. We've had some very big wins. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:43 - Dec 7 with 2031 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:32 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty |
In the interest of fairness, he's more or less nailed it with our away performances this season. We've had some very big wins. |
They've been noted, and put in the drawer marked "Showing signs that he can produce a successful team"
There's no "fairness" involved when the actual crunch games kick off. That jury remains out... until it's in | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 14:50 - Dec 7 with 1705 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:43 - Dec 7 by D_Alien |
They've been noted, and put in the drawer marked "Showing signs that he can produce a successful team"
There's no "fairness" involved when the actual crunch games kick off. That jury remains out... until it's in |
Suppose as Dale fans that’s always been the case. Especially with the lack of success historically in terms of promotions.
Hill himself had two seasons of almost achieving that success only to fall short. There’s even an argument that we actually went backwards in 08/09 with the playoff semi defeat, a tie Gillingham always looked like winning.
His first promotion came with a side that looked to have won games before they started, something that he replicated during his second spell. The current team is the nearest we’ve had to that mentality, built on the back of a lot of work albeit with a massive slice of luck when the Ogdens arrived.
The post about injuries is now the major concern, the depth is there but my concern is how consistent the spine of the team has been. The back three, midfield two and centre forward have been set in stone for four months. Whilst having faith in the squad that’s been built, it’s whether the lack of game time of replacements may lead to some issues. Hopefully those who do step in can do so at the level Pettit did at Tamworth. [Post edited 7 Dec 14:54]
| |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:18 - Dec 7 with 1630 views | WirralDale |
That wasn't my take on JM's comments.
He mentioned the phrase 'car crash' and his experiences so far, but I believe he meant no disrespect to the owners. I think he was trying to say that being a football manager can throw up all kinds of new or unexpected situations which you have to deal with on a regular basis. In this respect he's correct.
He's still a relatively new manager and some of the events occurring over the past few years would test a seasoned manager.
Yesterday's game was stopped after players had battled through for 77 mins!
The ref should have halted the match much earlier if he felt it necessary; the rain was torrential and showed no signs of letting up. Beckwith's injury was undoubtedly a blow though.
Thought Southend's manager was bang out of order - pecking the fourth official's head for much of the game, especially once we took the lead.
The National League do need to clarify rules on match abandonment. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:19 - Dec 7 with 1630 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 14:50 - Dec 7 by 442Dale |
Suppose as Dale fans that’s always been the case. Especially with the lack of success historically in terms of promotions.
Hill himself had two seasons of almost achieving that success only to fall short. There’s even an argument that we actually went backwards in 08/09 with the playoff semi defeat, a tie Gillingham always looked like winning.
His first promotion came with a side that looked to have won games before they started, something that he replicated during his second spell. The current team is the nearest we’ve had to that mentality, built on the back of a lot of work albeit with a massive slice of luck when the Ogdens arrived.
The post about injuries is now the major concern, the depth is there but my concern is how consistent the spine of the team has been. The back three, midfield two and centre forward have been set in stone for four months. Whilst having faith in the squad that’s been built, it’s whether the lack of game time of replacements may lead to some issues. Hopefully those who do step in can do so at the level Pettit did at Tamworth. [Post edited 7 Dec 14:54]
|
Sometimes injuries can force the hand of the manager and result in a settled starting eleven. Players who perform well deserve to stay in the team, i'm referring to Pettit and Pritchard when i say that. The fear of Rodney now being sidelined alongside Smith has now come to pass. McBride has a role to play but it's not as a goal threat. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:25 - Dec 7 with 1619 views | 49thseason |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:30 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty |
I hope that happens, it's a relief that they've finally started the work. It will be interesting to hear why the water wasn't draining through the pitch. |
TS , my understanding is that there is effectively a layer of concrete above the drains about 8-10 inches down. It was intended to be a layer of stone that water found its way through, but someone used recycled stone from another pitch rather than new stone from a quarry and it was already deteriorating rather than being sharp-edged to permit drainage. Water simply isnt getting into the drains .. pre-season, the board must have looked at all the expenditure envisaged and concluded that they would try to get through this season without a pitch rebuild, prioritising instead the work under the Willbutts Stand to build classrooms for Dale Futures and no doubt the work required at Bowlee to start building the training hub, not to mention the refurbishment of hospitality areas, bars and vital areas of back- office infrastucture, ticketing, turnstiles etc.
Clearly the gamble has not quite paid off and some priorities have probably been rescheduled. These things happen, thankfully our owners have the wherewithall to change their spending plans whereas previous regimes have simply not been able to afford that luxury.
Our Head Coach must surely be aware of his good fortune with regard to the Ogden's arrival and going forward, he will have the squad, the pitch and the supporting facilities that he could barely have dreamed of 2 years ago. Yesterday was not a good day for anyone and there may be others over the next few weeks, but the neccessary building blocks for sustained success are being put in place by benevolent owners who, like the Head Coach, are still learning about the football industry, the town and its weather and their capacity for unexpected twists and turns...I just hope the pitch rebuild takes into account the fact that it rains every other day on average and around 44 inches per year, often more than twice the rainfall of Southend-on-sea...
"Rochdale: Averages around 1,133 mm to 1,197 mm of precipitation per year. This rainfall is distributed fairly evenly throughout the year, with December typically being the wettest month.
Southend-on-Sea: Averages around 527 mm to 766 mm of precipitation per year. Some sources even list it as the driest place in the UK, often receiving less than 600 mm annually." |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:40 - Dec 7 with 1592 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:25 - Dec 7 by 49thseason |
TS , my understanding is that there is effectively a layer of concrete above the drains about 8-10 inches down. It was intended to be a layer of stone that water found its way through, but someone used recycled stone from another pitch rather than new stone from a quarry and it was already deteriorating rather than being sharp-edged to permit drainage. Water simply isnt getting into the drains .. pre-season, the board must have looked at all the expenditure envisaged and concluded that they would try to get through this season without a pitch rebuild, prioritising instead the work under the Willbutts Stand to build classrooms for Dale Futures and no doubt the work required at Bowlee to start building the training hub, not to mention the refurbishment of hospitality areas, bars and vital areas of back- office infrastucture, ticketing, turnstiles etc.
Clearly the gamble has not quite paid off and some priorities have probably been rescheduled. These things happen, thankfully our owners have the wherewithall to change their spending plans whereas previous regimes have simply not been able to afford that luxury.
Our Head Coach must surely be aware of his good fortune with regard to the Ogden's arrival and going forward, he will have the squad, the pitch and the supporting facilities that he could barely have dreamed of 2 years ago. Yesterday was not a good day for anyone and there may be others over the next few weeks, but the neccessary building blocks for sustained success are being put in place by benevolent owners who, like the Head Coach, are still learning about the football industry, the town and its weather and their capacity for unexpected twists and turns...I just hope the pitch rebuild takes into account the fact that it rains every other day on average and around 44 inches per year, often more than twice the rainfall of Southend-on-sea...
"Rochdale: Averages around 1,133 mm to 1,197 mm of precipitation per year. This rainfall is distributed fairly evenly throughout the year, with December typically being the wettest month.
Southend-on-Sea: Averages around 527 mm to 766 mm of precipitation per year. Some sources even list it as the driest place in the UK, often receiving less than 600 mm annually." |
I don't think there's been any gambling involved. There was a statement from the owner i think who stated that there had been advanced discussions over the summer regarding actually relocating to another area of the Town. Those discussions prohibited the pitch work taking place prior to the season starting. A suitable site couldn't be found so the idea was shelved. It would have made no sense to spend well over a million pounds on a pitch to then rip it up and move to another stadium. I don't believe the club have just winged it this season in respect of the pitch. [Post edited 7 Dec 15:43]
| | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 16:10 - Dec 7 with 1515 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 15:25 - Dec 7 by 49thseason |
TS , my understanding is that there is effectively a layer of concrete above the drains about 8-10 inches down. It was intended to be a layer of stone that water found its way through, but someone used recycled stone from another pitch rather than new stone from a quarry and it was already deteriorating rather than being sharp-edged to permit drainage. Water simply isnt getting into the drains .. pre-season, the board must have looked at all the expenditure envisaged and concluded that they would try to get through this season without a pitch rebuild, prioritising instead the work under the Willbutts Stand to build classrooms for Dale Futures and no doubt the work required at Bowlee to start building the training hub, not to mention the refurbishment of hospitality areas, bars and vital areas of back- office infrastucture, ticketing, turnstiles etc.
Clearly the gamble has not quite paid off and some priorities have probably been rescheduled. These things happen, thankfully our owners have the wherewithall to change their spending plans whereas previous regimes have simply not been able to afford that luxury.
Our Head Coach must surely be aware of his good fortune with regard to the Ogden's arrival and going forward, he will have the squad, the pitch and the supporting facilities that he could barely have dreamed of 2 years ago. Yesterday was not a good day for anyone and there may be others over the next few weeks, but the neccessary building blocks for sustained success are being put in place by benevolent owners who, like the Head Coach, are still learning about the football industry, the town and its weather and their capacity for unexpected twists and turns...I just hope the pitch rebuild takes into account the fact that it rains every other day on average and around 44 inches per year, often more than twice the rainfall of Southend-on-sea...
"Rochdale: Averages around 1,133 mm to 1,197 mm of precipitation per year. This rainfall is distributed fairly evenly throughout the year, with December typically being the wettest month.
Southend-on-Sea: Averages around 527 mm to 766 mm of precipitation per year. Some sources even list it as the driest place in the UK, often receiving less than 600 mm annually." |
Where was that issue with the drainage mentioned?
Also haven’t seen anything about Bowlee being signed off and work starting so not sure why that would have been a cost this season. | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 18:51 - Dec 7 with 1195 views | James1980 |
In reference to the comment by 49 regarding the second hand stone from another clubs pitch would that have anything to do with something I was told a couple of seasons ago, which was we had Tranmere's old pitch. | |
| |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 19:02 - Dec 7 with 1165 views | dannyuk |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 18:51 - Dec 7 by James1980 |
In reference to the comment by 49 regarding the second hand stone from another clubs pitch would that have anything to do with something I was told a couple of seasons ago, which was we had Tranmere's old pitch. |
The way it has been for us the past few years, something like that would not be a surprise.
After saving the club and now saving the pitch and potentially this whole season, the Ogden family should have bloody statues up outside the ground or something. (this is a joke, but seriously can't thank them enough!) |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 19:13 - Dec 7 with 1132 views | jonahwhereru |
At half time I was the only inhabitant of Southend in the ground who was hoping the game would be called off. I said it would be and in the second half it became farcical in the Pearl St corner.
Admittedly I stayed up in Rochdale for 2 nights for the first attempt at this fixture, but it has cost me £400 to see this game, so far. I’m frustrated but what happen was outside anyone’s control.
On the game itself I thought Maher set Southend up really well they nullified us without stifling their own ambitions. I said that Jim and his colleagues have not had to give many half time team talks this season, when things have needed a shake up. Credit to them, the team were much better after the break and to my eye dominated it.
Noticed Rodney wore the type of tape athletes use on his calf in the Eastleigh game, the injuries and fixtures are mounting up. What’s the saying about “when the going gets tough”?
UTD | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 22:10 - Dec 7 with 842 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 19:02 - Dec 7 by dannyuk |
The way it has been for us the past few years, something like that would not be a surprise.
After saving the club and now saving the pitch and potentially this whole season, the Ogden family should have bloody statues up outside the ground or something. (this is a joke, but seriously can't thank them enough!) |
I'd prefer the statue of Gracie Fields melted down and recast as SPO, bang in the middle of the town centre. He's already done more for the town than she ever did | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
