| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished 17:08 - Nov 26 with 4673 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyx4ggyj44o
The two child benefit cap came in under Osbourne and Cameron after the press had highlighted several family's living the good life with ,20 children and counting. Reeves does not remember this probably.
If she did remember it she would raise the 2 child cap to a 5 child cap. It is just rank bad politics. The Daily Express will already be getting reports from the 24 people sized family none of whom have ever done a day's work. It is a gift for Reform as Asians traditionally have big families too..
The definition of " child poverty" is weak also as it is a percentage 60% of the average. As far as I understand it since it is a percentage "abolish Child poverty" is a mathematical Impossibility. Idea for mathematically illiterate Socialist s like Diane Abbott.
If people want to call me out I will point out that I probably was raised in child poverty in real terms not percentages due to going without and having to graft on a very rudimentary farm in Carmarthenshire where gard physical work was required. It gave me a work ethic and ambition. It was dirty cold and not very comfortable..
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:14 - Dec 5 with 963 views | AnotherJohn |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:47 - Dec 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Another increase in our benefits bill just announced taking effect from April is a 4.8% increase, to £6,800 a year, for each additional wife in polygamous marriages.
This is despite bigamy being illegal in this country. Apparently we recognise and pay for extra wives in certain religions. |
That caught my eye too (see earlier in thread). The mind boggles when one considers the possible intersection of benefits in a household with one unemployed and disabled husband, three wives (possibly with their own health issues) and a large brood of kids from the three mothers. At the extreme I imagine it could happen. |  | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 21:24 - Dec 5 with 856 views | max936 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:55 - Dec 4 by Dr_Winston |
It's not even a nationality thing. For a number of years, possibly decades, there has been a push to ensure that people on low incomes, whether that be social security or menial jobs, get the same financial benefits as anyone else.
That needs to end. Any functional economy needs to reward work, needs to reward self improvement, needs to reward contribution. Otherwise we're basically f*cked. If you're dependent on benefits then yes, you shouldn't be able to afford to enjoy life as much as someone earning a decent full time salary. That's exactly as it should be.
I've worked with people with serious health issues. From brain injury caused disabilities to Dwarfism (that poor sod had to have his back medically broken every couple of years just to stay upright). Any of these people could have chosen to sit on their arses and live off benefits but chose to work instead.
That's the standard that should be set for everyone. [Post edited 4 Dec 22:56]
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It depends on the mentality of the person, how many times have you heard people say that it doesn't pay me to work I'm better off on benefits, and without doubt some have the very same thought, I've been out of work on occasions over those 48 yrs and taken jobs just to keep my stress levels manageable, stuck one job for 12yrs in steelworks working for a t@at, until I'd had a guts full after they put some of us on a 4 day week and went back to college and re did my qualifications and not looked back since, that was 2016. [Post edited 6 Dec 18:00]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 11:20 - Dec 6 with 777 views | Dr_Winston |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 21:24 - Dec 5 by max936 |
It depends on the mentality of the person, how many times have you heard people say that it doesn't pay me to work I'm better off on benefits, and without doubt some have the very same thought, I've been out of work on occasions over those 48 yrs and taken jobs just to keep my stress levels manageable, stuck one job for 12yrs in steelworks working for a t@at, until I'd had a guts full after they put some of us on a 4 day week and went back to college and re did my qualifications and not looked back since, that was 2016. [Post edited 6 Dec 18:00]
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Too many people have been allowed to develop the mentality that they're better off not working.
For me almost every income based benefit bar perhaps those paid to people severely disabled with little or no chance of recovery (easily verifiable via a medical report) should be subject to annual review and in the cases where no disability is present time bound also. If you're on contribution based out of work benefit, ie you've paid into the system long enough to qualify, you get six months. Not sure why those who haven't paid in get it easier.
If you can't find paid employment, then the local council can find work for you. Calculate your total benefit entitlement down to how many hours you'd need to work for NMW and that's how many hours per week you owe. If your total benefits are £1000 a month, then you do 81 hours a month of community work. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:43 - Dec 6 with 754 views | Gwyn737 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 11:20 - Dec 6 by Dr_Winston |
Too many people have been allowed to develop the mentality that they're better off not working.
For me almost every income based benefit bar perhaps those paid to people severely disabled with little or no chance of recovery (easily verifiable via a medical report) should be subject to annual review and in the cases where no disability is present time bound also. If you're on contribution based out of work benefit, ie you've paid into the system long enough to qualify, you get six months. Not sure why those who haven't paid in get it easier.
If you can't find paid employment, then the local council can find work for you. Calculate your total benefit entitlement down to how many hours you'd need to work for NMW and that's how many hours per week you owe. If your total benefits are £1000 a month, then you do 81 hours a month of community work. |
What about the 60% of peoples in receipt of UC who are in work?
Not disagreeing with you, but cost of living has put an extra dimension to things. | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:54 - Dec 6 with 735 views | Dr_Winston |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:43 - Dec 6 by Gwyn737 |
What about the 60% of peoples in receipt of UC who are in work?
Not disagreeing with you, but cost of living has put an extra dimension to things. |
If people on UC are working they drop into a Light Touch/Working Enough group already. No problem with that continuing. Or, if we go down the route I suggested previously, someone working with children could go into a special tax bracket and thus not need to claim UC at all.
There are potentially a number of ways and means you could go about it, but fundamentally any welfare system that has a chance of existing long term needs to reward contribution and punish idleness a lot more effectively than the current one does.
I am interested in Wes Streeting's request for a serious look at how mental health issues are diagnosed and dealt with too. For too long, even before the pandemic (which exacerbated the situation significantly) the response of the welfare system to a mental health diagnosis is to pay people to sit at home, which to me is perhaps the worst possible choice for something like that. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:09 - Dec 6 with 730 views | Gwyn737 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:54 - Dec 6 by Dr_Winston |
If people on UC are working they drop into a Light Touch/Working Enough group already. No problem with that continuing. Or, if we go down the route I suggested previously, someone working with children could go into a special tax bracket and thus not need to claim UC at all.
There are potentially a number of ways and means you could go about it, but fundamentally any welfare system that has a chance of existing long term needs to reward contribution and punish idleness a lot more effectively than the current one does.
I am interested in Wes Streeting's request for a serious look at how mental health issues are diagnosed and dealt with too. For too long, even before the pandemic (which exacerbated the situation significantly) the response of the welfare system to a mental health diagnosis is to pay people to sit at home, which to me is perhaps the worst possible choice for something like that. |
I fear we’ve medicalised personality traits.
It’s a massive issue. | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:22 - Dec 6 with 722 views | Dr_Winston |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:09 - Dec 6 by Gwyn737 |
I fear we’ve medicalised personality traits.
It’s a massive issue. |
Agree completely. Most people through life go through ups and downs, periods of stress, anxiety or similar. The correct way to treat it can't possibly be to write them off and pay them to sit at home stewing.
That's not to say that there aren't genuine cases out there, but they've been lost in the fog. I've seen severe cases of anxiety and depression. Your average chancer with a sick note stating "low mood" on it makes a mockery of them. [Post edited 6 Dec 13:23]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:27 - Dec 6 with 716 views | Gwyn737 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:22 - Dec 6 by Dr_Winston |
Agree completely. Most people through life go through ups and downs, periods of stress, anxiety or similar. The correct way to treat it can't possibly be to write them off and pay them to sit at home stewing.
That's not to say that there aren't genuine cases out there, but they've been lost in the fog. I've seen severe cases of anxiety and depression. Your average chancer with a sick note stating "low mood" on it makes a mockery of them. [Post edited 6 Dec 13:23]
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I also think that we’ve forgotten that for practically every ‘average’ person, anxiety it a perfectly normal emotion.
You should be able to say that without dismissing those for whom the condition is genuinely crippling. | | | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:10 - Dec 6 with 657 views | max936 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:54 - Dec 6 by Dr_Winston |
If people on UC are working they drop into a Light Touch/Working Enough group already. No problem with that continuing. Or, if we go down the route I suggested previously, someone working with children could go into a special tax bracket and thus not need to claim UC at all.
There are potentially a number of ways and means you could go about it, but fundamentally any welfare system that has a chance of existing long term needs to reward contribution and punish idleness a lot more effectively than the current one does.
I am interested in Wes Streeting's request for a serious look at how mental health issues are diagnosed and dealt with too. For too long, even before the pandemic (which exacerbated the situation significantly) the response of the welfare system to a mental health diagnosis is to pay people to sit at home, which to me is perhaps the worst possible choice for something like that. |
One thing I have proved to myself is that my stress and anxiety ease considerably by going to to work and other other things to focus my mind on and changing direction in the work I? know do as really helped me.
I will admit that my symptoms were fairly mild apart for odd occasions, finances used to be a big one for me, but I got there in the end and things got easier. | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:19 - Dec 6 with 647 views | onehunglow |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:10 - Dec 6 by max936 |
One thing I have proved to myself is that my stress and anxiety ease considerably by going to to work and other other things to focus my mind on and changing direction in the work I? know do as really helped me.
I will admit that my symptoms were fairly mild apart for odd occasions, finances used to be a big one for me, but I got there in the end and things got easier. |
We induce stress onto ourselves
It’s down to us to fight this
We are all dying
We own nothing
We know nothing
Everything we have can be taken from us in an instant
Hope this helps | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:41 - Dec 6 with 637 views | AnotherJohn |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:27 - Dec 6 by Gwyn737 |
I also think that we’ve forgotten that for practically every ‘average’ person, anxiety it a perfectly normal emotion.
You should be able to say that without dismissing those for whom the condition is genuinely crippling. |
Some of the mental health conditions discovered in the late 20th century probably do exist as real psychological disorders. but at the same time there does seem to be a drift towards medicalisation of life problems across many domains. I came across a recent book on ADHD that may be worth reading.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Global-Perspectives-ADHD-Dimensions-Diagnosis/dp/142142 | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 19:17 - Dec 6 with 624 views | max936 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:19 - Dec 6 by onehunglow |
We induce stress onto ourselves
It’s down to us to fight this
We are all dying
We own nothing
We know nothing
Everything we have can be taken from us in an instant
Hope this helps |
"We induce stress onto ourselves"
100% Rich, it comers from dwelling on things and no one is worse than me for doing that, it was in my dear old Mams makeup and I've inherited it.
I miss her and my dad and me and dad used to battle on times, but him and mam brought me up well and made me what I am, really feel very proud that they were my parents, bit soppy perhaps, but that's how I feel. [Post edited 6 Dec 21:23]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 19:50 - Dec 6 with 601 views | onehunglow |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 19:17 - Dec 6 by max936 |
"We induce stress onto ourselves"
100% Rich, it comers from dwelling on things and no one is worse than me for doing that, it was in my dear old Mams makeup and I've inherited it.
I miss her and my dad and me and dad used to battle on times, but him and mam brought me up well and made me what I am, really feel very proud that they were my parents, bit soppy perhaps, but that's how I feel. [Post edited 6 Dec 21:23]
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You were lucky
I hated my upbringing
Mum was good girl though volatile but dad a nasty , cruel religious nutter
Before he died , I was back home and gave him both barrels
Life is down to us , nobody else
We have to take control of ourselves no matter what
Accept the worst possible | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 23:58 - Dec 6 with 526 views | Demitrius |
Work is good for the old mental health....
Routine, self-discipline, energy...tiredness, burning calories, better sleep.
In Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness (Familiar to many as Apocalypse Now) the narrator is drawn away from the insanity all around him by focussing on and repairing the leaking pipes of the ship on the Congo...
The lesson is applied to current life....Focus outward not inward and graft to take your mind off the self-obsessed bollocks of C21st psychobabble rubbish...
Leisure time surpluses have lead us to this unfortunate situation....
Why aren't the long term unemployed picking litter, volunteering in a hospice, making tea in a elderly day centre...?
I would, in that situation find it very rewarding to be giving something back...but meybe I'm just a daft old tw@t [Post edited 7 Dec 0:10]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 01:50 - Dec 7 with 499 views | Robbie |
Sick paper for a bad back was a standing joke .
Week off on a sickie at the same time Wales were playing Rugby up in Scotland .
Tolerated an amazing return to work by the baddie the following week , laughed off .
Now the go to reasons not to work is stress , anxiety and mental health , easier to claim .
Yet our useless Government fall for the sob stories , chuck money at the problem instead of real investigation into mobility cars and shirkers who do not want to work .
Lets not upset the voters though , they are my free way out of here and my PM seat will still be intacted for future Elections . | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 09:56 - Dec 7 with 443 views | Dr_Winston |
This perfectly encapsulates another big part of the problem. Young people on benefits to be "offered" work in hospitality or construction.
No, the approach should be young people on benefits "forced" to take any kind of work that they can physically do.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlke33rzplo | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 11:33 - Dec 7 with 417 views | AnotherJohn |
I'd be interested to know more about the demography of those benefiting from Rachel's largess, and in particular what proportion of recipients have a long-time record of past contributions (one of the buzz words in the latest supposedly tougher Labour approach to welfare). A few clues can be found here. It is GB News mind, but the Guardian and Indy tend to fall silent on such matters.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/rachel-reeves-s-budget-welfare-splurge-to- [Post edited 7 Dec 11:37]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:50 - Dec 9 with 284 views | Dr_Winston |
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:33 - Dec 9 with 261 views | onehunglow |
Reading this, it’s best we don’t know as we will combust
This is insanity
Reeves as cynical a politician as anyone
Purely to garner votes and fook the rest | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:05 - Dec 9 with 223 views | Whiterockin |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:33 - Dec 9 by onehunglow |
Reading this, it’s best we don’t know as we will combust
This is insanity
Reeves as cynical a politician as anyone
Purely to garner votes and fook the rest |
IMO it is not to gain votes because they know they are out at the next election. It was done to appease the back benches and keep her and Starmer in a job, why do you think Starmer backs her to the hilt. Its self preservation and we are paying for it and its disgusting. |  | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:14 - Dec 9 with 209 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 09:56 - Dec 7 by Dr_Winston |
This perfectly encapsulates another big part of the problem. Young people on benefits to be "offered" work in hospitality or construction.
No, the approach should be young people on benefits "forced" to take any kind of work that they can physically do.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlke33rzplo |
Would you as an employer be willing to take on these workshy, useless, lazy and feckless people? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
We’ve created a system now where millions are just given everything from cradle to grave and that can’t go back in the box. It’s become a way of life really. |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:22 - Dec 9 with 203 views | Whiterockin |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:14 - Dec 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Would you as an employer be willing to take on these workshy, useless, lazy and feckless people? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
We’ve created a system now where millions are just given everything from cradle to grave and that can’t go back in the box. It’s become a way of life really. |
The problem we have is claimants who have children are reluctant for them to seek work or their benifits would be reduced, its a vicious circle where generations dont work. | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:10 - Dec 9 with 185 views | raynor94 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:05 - Dec 9 by Whiterockin |
IMO it is not to gain votes because they know they are out at the next election. It was done to appease the back benches and keep her and Starmer in a job, why do you think Starmer backs her to the hilt. Its self preservation and we are paying for it and its disgusting. |
Totally agree the Labour left wing backbenchers are calling the tune this is why Labour can't be trusted.
Lifting of this cap is madness |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:50 - Dec 9 with 169 views | Dr_Winston |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:14 - Dec 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Would you as an employer be willing to take on these workshy, useless, lazy and feckless people? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
We’ve created a system now where millions are just given everything from cradle to grave and that can’t go back in the box. It’s become a way of life really. |
If the private sector won't touch them I'm sure the local council has plenty of dogshit to pick up.
No work, no dole. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 17:39 - Dec 9 with 139 views | onehunglow |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:10 - Dec 9 by raynor94 |
Totally agree the Labour left wing backbenchers are calling the tune this is why Labour can't be trusted.
Lifting of this cap is madness |
Its sim ply to attract votes | |
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