| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban 18:13 - Jan 6 with 5328 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
West Midlands Police confirm the decision to ban them was based on the risk posed by local groups despite all the nonsense they came up with at the time......the mob rules, so what next?
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 21:02 - Jan 7 with 1135 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
( from wiki)" On 6, 7 and 8 November 2024, before and after a UEFA Europa League football match in Amsterdam between Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. and Dutch club AFC Ajax, tensions over the Gaza war escalated to violence. Targets of the violence included Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, and pro-Palestinian protesters.Seven people, including five Israelis, were sent to hospital and 20–30 people sustained light injuries. Several local individuals who attacked Maccabi fans were given jail terms by Amsterdam district court" .
In Birmingham no one was hurt and there was no violence. Job done. In my mind there was a good chance that middle eastern tensions could have arisen in Birmingham. It is not for the Police to worry about Middle eastern politics or take sides. They are. not taking their issues out in UK.. The friends of the various middle eastern groups have certainly kicked up a fuss. Good for them. I back the police The ghosts of Hillsborough rightly influence Police thinking . Where there are red flags the Police cannot bush them under the carpet. |  |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:04 - Jan 7 with 1080 views | majorraglan |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 18:29 - Jan 7 by onehunglow |
For several years ,moves to have people actually join Police as a detective were championed by various politicians .
Now its a reality
Join as a trainee detective on a 2yr training programme DCEP where you are "supported" and assessed . This is no degree based .
There is a DC DHEP which sees graduates with a 2;2 enter direct ,then after probationary period,promoted .
I am in regular contact with a retired Det Chief Supt who,like many of his ilk ,is utterly bemused by this .
The thinking is those with degrees ,even if in Music , Drama or the History of Byzantine Art are more intelligent than those without degrees. and consequently detect criminal perps and to be more adroit in interviews . The art,of interviewing is now seen as more of a science that can be learned .
We might disagree on football matters but we share similar cynicism on this .
One thing for sure,you,me ,our families and the general public are not being protected as we should. |
Following the Winsor Review in 2011 in 2014, the government (Theresa May was Home Secretary) introduced a graduate fast track Constable to Inspector where a recruit would move from cop to Inspector in 2 years and they also introduced a direct entry to Supt programme. Absolutely mental decisions.
As has been said by other posters, how on earth someone can be a cop on the beat for a couple on months before starting to climb the ladder and “lead” others is beyond ridiculous. In my experience the best leaders are those who with substance, knowledge and excellent interpersonal skills with a hefty dollop of common sense. It’s crackers that ministers and senior civil servants ever introduced this. I feel the same about Direct Entry Supts too.
The Conservative governments of the 2010s onwards made some awful decisions regarding criminal justice and introduced a lot of disastrous changes. |  | | |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:09 - Jan 7 with 1076 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:04 - Jan 7 by majorraglan |
Following the Winsor Review in 2011 in 2014, the government (Theresa May was Home Secretary) introduced a graduate fast track Constable to Inspector where a recruit would move from cop to Inspector in 2 years and they also introduced a direct entry to Supt programme. Absolutely mental decisions.
As has been said by other posters, how on earth someone can be a cop on the beat for a couple on months before starting to climb the ladder and “lead” others is beyond ridiculous. In my experience the best leaders are those who with substance, knowledge and excellent interpersonal skills with a hefty dollop of common sense. It’s crackers that ministers and senior civil servants ever introduced this. I feel the same about Direct Entry Supts too.
The Conservative governments of the 2010s onwards made some awful decisions regarding criminal justice and introduced a lot of disastrous changes. |
A friend of mine had a line manager in the civil service at Grade 7 level. That's fairly high up the ladder in an operational role. For example, a Grade 6 in my dept would often be a district manager, responsible for a fairly large geographical area.
They were 23 years old. How on Earth can you possibly have the skills, experience and knowledge to operate at that level when you're barely a couple of years out of University?
It's not a question of ability. You can have all the ability in the World but you need a little seasoning to go with it. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:58 - Jan 7 with 1034 views | Demitrius |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 21:02 - Jan 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
( from wiki)" On 6, 7 and 8 November 2024, before and after a UEFA Europa League football match in Amsterdam between Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. and Dutch club AFC Ajax, tensions over the Gaza war escalated to violence. Targets of the violence included Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, and pro-Palestinian protesters.Seven people, including five Israelis, were sent to hospital and 20–30 people sustained light injuries. Several local individuals who attacked Maccabi fans were given jail terms by Amsterdam district court" .
In Birmingham no one was hurt and there was no violence. Job done. In my mind there was a good chance that middle eastern tensions could have arisen in Birmingham. It is not for the Police to worry about Middle eastern politics or take sides. They are. not taking their issues out in UK.. The friends of the various middle eastern groups have certainly kicked up a fuss. Good for them. I back the police The ghosts of Hillsborough rightly influence Police thinking . Where there are red flags the Police cannot bush them under the carpet. |
That's not what you were saying a few weeks back though was it ....?
You were arguing with everyone on here that black was white and we were all full of sh/t for questioning the MSM narrative...?
Your revisionism would appear to portray you as a reasonable individual now the facts are laid bare....
We are not buying it sunshine....try harder... [Post edited 8 Jan 11:10]
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 23:02 - Jan 7 with 1029 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:58 - Jan 7 by Demitrius |
That's not what you were saying a few weeks back though was it ....?
You were arguing with everyone on here that black was white and we were all full of sh/t for questioning the MSM narrative...?
Your revisionism would appear to portray you as a reasonable individual now the facts are laid bare....
We are not buying it sunshine....try harder... [Post edited 8 Jan 11:10]
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He's a troll. Same as CJ. Not worth a serious response. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 23:38 - Jan 7 with 1000 views | onehunglow |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:04 - Jan 7 by majorraglan |
Following the Winsor Review in 2011 in 2014, the government (Theresa May was Home Secretary) introduced a graduate fast track Constable to Inspector where a recruit would move from cop to Inspector in 2 years and they also introduced a direct entry to Supt programme. Absolutely mental decisions.
As has been said by other posters, how on earth someone can be a cop on the beat for a couple on months before starting to climb the ladder and “lead” others is beyond ridiculous. In my experience the best leaders are those who with substance, knowledge and excellent interpersonal skills with a hefty dollop of common sense. It’s crackers that ministers and senior civil servants ever introduced this. I feel the same about Direct Entry Supts too.
The Conservative governments of the 2010s onwards made some awful decisions regarding criminal justice and introduced a lot of disastrous changes. |
Worst home Sec
The one that radically shafted police officers pensions
Bramshill police College was the institution that saw graduate entries made ready for the highest ranks
To a man / woman , they were dire
Policing does not require graduate level of literacy or philosophy
The streets are where you learn the craft
It’s not easy and not fast either most times
It’s often tedious , frustrating and sometimes dangerous | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 11:37 - Jan 8 with 934 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It was never about football hooliganism. We knew it, they knew it, everybody knew it. Clubs with an awfully worse record of hooliganism are allowed to come to or play in Britain every week and the police generally do a good job to ensure the games go ahead without incident. 100,000 Rangers fans smashed up Manchester a few years ago but their fans are still allowed to travel every week by British police.
It stinks. |  |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:38 - Jan 8 with 876 views | Boundy |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 23:38 - Jan 7 by onehunglow |
Worst home Sec
The one that radically shafted police officers pensions
Bramshill police College was the institution that saw graduate entries made ready for the highest ranks
To a man / woman , they were dire
Policing does not require graduate level of literacy or philosophy
The streets are where you learn the craft
It’s not easy and not fast either most times
It’s often tedious , frustrating and sometimes dangerous |
How the fug can a applicant with accusations of raping a 6 year old child be allowed to join the Met , then later in his "career "subsequently charged with the rapes of children. This happened during Johnsons' thrust of employing 20.000 new officers during his tenure a Mayor. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 23:32 - Jan 8 with 852 views | majorraglan |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:38 - Jan 8 by Boundy |
How the fug can a applicant with accusations of raping a 6 year old child be allowed to join the Met , then later in his "career "subsequently charged with the rapes of children. This happened during Johnsons' thrust of employing 20.000 new officers during his tenure a Mayor. |
The financial penalties for not hitting the target were massive, if a force failed to achieve 75% of its uplift target they lost the entire uplift funding, the Met were about 1100 short and lost over £7m.
A couple of guys I know from down here went up to London and joined the Met, but recruiting from outside London stopped in 2014 when the Met was under pressure to be more reflective of its population. The recruiting local policy was suspended in 2018 but reintroduced in 2020 and then suspended again in 2022. In many parts of the U.K. Forces are having big problems recruiting staff and when they do get them through the door they are leaving in unprecedented numbers.
Boris’s policy of increasing the number of cops was well intentioned and intended to reverse the damage caused by the Cameron and May governments, but once again it was a policy that was poorly executed and senior officers made an even bigger mess of it.
The Met should never have allowed people in without vetting them properly. We’ve seen sex offenders get in, who else has infiltrated our services? | | | |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 08:33 - Jan 10 with 760 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 21:02 - Jan 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
( from wiki)" On 6, 7 and 8 November 2024, before and after a UEFA Europa League football match in Amsterdam between Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. and Dutch club AFC Ajax, tensions over the Gaza war escalated to violence. Targets of the violence included Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, and pro-Palestinian protesters.Seven people, including five Israelis, were sent to hospital and 20–30 people sustained light injuries. Several local individuals who attacked Maccabi fans were given jail terms by Amsterdam district court" .
In Birmingham no one was hurt and there was no violence. Job done. In my mind there was a good chance that middle eastern tensions could have arisen in Birmingham. It is not for the Police to worry about Middle eastern politics or take sides. They are. not taking their issues out in UK.. The friends of the various middle eastern groups have certainly kicked up a fuss. Good for them. I back the police The ghosts of Hillsborough rightly influence Police thinking . Where there are red flags the Police cannot bush them under the carpet. |
The police should not bow to muslin pressure. Fans should have been allowed to travel.
Appeasing the muslin community should not be the objective of the UK police forces.
Just look at what happened in Bradford, Rochdale etc.
The police's job is to uphold UK law not sharia law. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 10:41 - Jan 10 with 726 views | onehunglow |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:38 - Jan 8 by Boundy |
How the fug can a applicant with accusations of raping a 6 year old child be allowed to join the Met , then later in his "career "subsequently charged with the rapes of children. This happened during Johnsons' thrust of employing 20.000 new officers during his tenure a Mayor. |
Beats me | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 10:43 - Jan 10 with 725 views | onehunglow |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 08:33 - Jan 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The police should not bow to muslin pressure. Fans should have been allowed to travel.
Appeasing the muslin community should not be the objective of the UK police forces.
Just look at what happened in Bradford, Rochdale etc.
The police's job is to uphold UK law not sharia law. |
They have lost their independence Felix
Ccs now are politically driven and actually confronting truly criminal issues take second place | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:10 - Jan 10 with 697 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 22:58 - Jan 7 by Demitrius |
That's not what you were saying a few weeks back though was it ....?
You were arguing with everyone on here that black was white and we were all full of sh/t for questioning the MSM narrative...?
Your revisionism would appear to portray you as a reasonable individual now the facts are laid bare....
We are not buying it sunshine....try harder... [Post edited 8 Jan 11:10]
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I am not contained by prejudice and look at every issue individually.. I am not sure what the other issue you referenced was. I have no fixed view on the MSM. I love and hate the BBC at the same time.
Macabi coming to Birmingham raise several red flags. I accept the Police's decision which will have spared the over stretched hospitals and reduced policing requirement saving money for the taxpayers. There will have been some loss of trade perhaps. Overall the banning was a win win.
The fuss made by London agencies is irrelevant. It was a Birmingham decision. The Brum Police were forced to justify their decision in London before Lawyers. Why did they have to? [Post edited 10 Jan 17:22]
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:32 - Jan 10 with 685 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 08:33 - Jan 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The police should not bow to muslin pressure. Fans should have been allowed to travel.
Appeasing the muslin community should not be the objective of the UK police forces.
Just look at what happened in Bradford, Rochdale etc.
The police's job is to uphold UK law not sharia law. |
The Police should not bow to Jewish pressure either..They should listen to both Muslim and Jewish groups in the city.
UK does not need violence Middle easterners taking our their difference on British streets.Maccabi Tel Aviv have already had one match abandoned relatively recently.
It was noted they went out of their way to provoke local fans in Amsterdam with deeply offensive politicised chanting.
I back the Birmingham police defending local people and services namely the police themselves the taxpayer and NHS. One lady stood at the Stadium with a Isreali flag making a political point without incident. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:49 - Jan 10 with 672 views | onehunglow |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:32 - Jan 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Police should not bow to Jewish pressure either..They should listen to both Muslim and Jewish groups in the city.
UK does not need violence Middle easterners taking our their difference on British streets.Maccabi Tel Aviv have already had one match abandoned relatively recently.
It was noted they went out of their way to provoke local fans in Amsterdam with deeply offensive politicised chanting.
I back the Birmingham police defending local people and services namely the police themselves the taxpayer and NHS. One lady stood at the Stadium with a Isreali flag making a political point without incident. |
Jewish or Israeli | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 19:54 - Jan 10 with 632 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:49 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
Jewish or Israeli |
The football team is from Isreal. The travelling fans were Isreali. The defenders of the Isreali fans and criticizing the British Police seem to be British Jews or people who support Isreal. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 19:56 - Jan 10 with 630 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 17:49 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
Jewish or Israeli |
The football team is from Isreal. The travelling fans were Isreali. The defenders of the Isreali fans and criticizing the British Police seem to be British Jews or people who support Isreal.
I support the UK Police who are ultimately responsible for protecting the public irrespective class colour or faith. I am personally atheist. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 20:15 - Jan 10 with 618 views | onehunglow |
Nope
It’s all about the Jews
Celtic hate them , it’s why they have Arab flag made to show at a football stadium
It’s pure hatred , pure hatred
Nobody gives a fork about Israel and their right to survive as a country
The left prefer the Arabs , the right the Jews | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 21:39 - Jan 10 with 588 views | builthjack |
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have a history of bad behaviour.
On Dec 11th they played Stuttgart away, just weeks after the Villa game.
They have been given a one match ban, suspended of course, for singing racist songs, anti Palestinian songs, and discriminatory behaviour.
It’s probably a good job they never got to Birmingham. |  |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 01:43 - Jan 11 with 530 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Galatasaray fans smashed up Amsterdam too. Will they be banned from travelling to Manchester later this season?
Very much doubt it | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 09:50 - Jan 11 with 504 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
............................and now it transpires that the Police covered up the use of Section 14 notices on the day to disperse a number of groups of masked locals trying to get to the stadium on match day. The police social media team were instructed to say there were no incidents.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 11:35 - Jan 11 with 478 views | onehunglow |
Support for Gaza etc means contempt or hatred for Israel
Why don’t we be honest about this
Israel deserves everything it gets
People should have the guts to admit this is so and not hide behind “ it’s not Jews but Israel “shite
Left wing bleed for Arab cause on that it wants Israel to give back Arab lands
Good luck with that | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 18:07 - Jan 11 with 435 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 11:35 - Jan 11 by onehunglow |
Support for Gaza etc means contempt or hatred for Israel
Why don’t we be honest about this
Israel deserves everything it gets
People should have the guts to admit this is so and not hide behind “ it’s not Jews but Israel “shite
Left wing bleed for Arab cause on that it wants Israel to give back Arab lands
Good luck with that |
UK people have to be careful. There are laws in the UK based on some questionable classification. of anti semitism. It was wriit n by Jewish UK bodies. This is an advisory document by in UK law. It seems to me to be way too broad a definition.
The aim is to get citizen walking on eggshells and reading up on appropriate correct words.
It f you are Welsh of course anything goes for some weaklings on here. | |
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| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 19:23 - Jan 11 with 410 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Truth Comes Out on Maccabi Fans Ban on 01:43 - Jan 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Galatasaray fans smashed up Amsterdam too. Will they be banned from travelling to Manchester later this season?
Very much doubt it |
Correct I mean they only murder the odd fan now and again. |  |
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